When there are empty mosques in the area?
Check out Yalçın Doğan's column:
(Sorry, it is in Turkish, but tells the new culture of "showing off with praying".)
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/yazarlar/7198130.asp?yazarid=91&gid=61&a=685645
Can you tell me when this silent pressure of showing off with prayer will turn into a loud and open one? Can I accuse certain powers that promote "mild Islam" with turning our country into a fascist one?
2007-08-31 23:08:54 · 11 answers · asked by Totally Blunt 7 in Travel ➔ Europe (Continental) ➔ Turkey
That is exactly what I have been telling to the " mild Muslims" that I know- some family some friends- that what AKP is doing; trying to get people "accustomed" to their way of İslam.
It is a very sneaky approach. They know that we are a nation of high respect to our religion- don't matter if we all practice it daily or not- and they know that a person who objects the streets to be blocked by " show off muslims" will be lynched, verbally if he is a little bit lucky.
I know the district which is mentioned in the article that is being blocked rudely by those show offs very well. I worked in an office next to Kocatepe Camii and for the ones who didnt see it, let me tell you ; it is HUGE!.
Why they dont go there and prefer to pray on the dirty street? Because they can!! Nobody to stop them because they are "praying". They can fool us but in my belief, there is a higher aouthority that can not be fooled. He doesnt like his believers to show off their prayers and practices, either..
People, open your eyes. I live in Kuwait and there every muslim practices namaz five times a day.
Why dont I hear loud and ugly prayer calls but soft and very inviting ones?
Why dont I see people on the streets praying? Why do the people try to be quite while coming and going to the mosque that is just opposite my house?
Why the shops dont close during prayer time? - ok , ı started to get mad again and sound like you- know- who-...
but do we think that we are "more Muslim" than an arabic country?
This silent pressure of showing off will turn into a loud one when the first person objects the streets to be blocked to their face and I am afraid , it is going to be a disasterous result and you can accuse the certain powers for abusing the innocent feeling of worshipping of normal people, without hesitation .
EDİT: LEPRECHAUN, it will be the first time that I don't agree with you.
We are mostly all Muslims here in Turkey. Even the ones who chose to drop their beliefs do know the Muslim beliefs about praying with a mass or the Cuma and Bayram prayers. It is normal to see people praying even on the streets for those days but we are not talking about those times.
People literally have to walk on the busy street EVERYDAY at prayer times in Tunalı street which is not wider than a small street in Istanbul but a very busy one. They make us risk our lives plus as the believers , we are feeling the guilt of harming their namaz by walking in front of them. Ankara and most major cities have countless numbers of mosques, which is also another issue since that is a waste to have that many. - and wasting is a sin in İslam too.
Last, we follow a religion with a Prophet who quoted that "Working is a better deed than praying, therefore if you are working you can leave your Namaz to Kaza"... If you can't effort to loose time to go to the nearest mosque, then do it after, in your own time. My intension is not teaching your religion to you; it is just a reminder...
- BTW, I swear I am not responsable of one of those thumbs down but not a thumbs up either :) -
I- Run, next time, please ask what color shirts we like to wear.. my fingers hurt :))
2007-09-01 00:12:13 · answer #1 · answered by Ipek K 7 · 8⤊ 5⤋
I doubt they are good Muslims.
I'm a convert to Islam. When I first became a Muslim, I made a real show of doing my salat. Asking people if there is anywhere I can make wudu, pray in private etc....
But then I grew up. Praying is between you and God, nobody else. Only God can judge, and knows what is in your heart.
You shouldn't show off how 'religious' you are. It is a private matter.
As for Turkey, becoming a fascist country. I'm not Turkish so maybe I can't comment.. but I doubt it. Turkey is a very tolerant country, where all can practice their religion, how they like. I prefer to live in a secular country where we can all go about our lives how we want, as long as we harm no one.
2007-09-01 00:03:50 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
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2016-04-02 10:24:15 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
I was going to a course to learn how to read Koran when i was 10 or something,in my summer holiday. Since i was in a mosque everyday i had a chance to observe. In normal weekdays only 10-15 people were there but on friday afternoons it was full and there was not enough space,people were putting carpets out and praying there.It was 17 years ago.
We need to understand islam first. Although religion is something between man and god, one of the main ideas in Islam is to build up the brotherhood to lead to peace. According to the religion, you can pray at home in normal times but friday prayers,bayram prayers and funeral prayers has to be done with the people in a mosque.That is not a show off. There are too much people in some certain areas and they don't want to walk 2 kms to another mosque for a 10 minutes of pray.
I think people are getting paranoid.Connecting everything with a big plan behind the walls.
2007-09-01 04:52:32 · answer #4 · answered by Leprechaun 6 · 3⤊ 6⤋
I understand what you mean...
Unfortunately, nowadays some people in Turkey are using religion for political purposes...They try to wash the brains of people,and they want us to be "formated" Muslims...
I don't really think that "fascism" is the proper word...Actually I'd rather use the word "totalitarism"...
I am Muslim, but I refuse to be given orders to pray ,to do that or not to do that...Real Islam is freedom,love,tolerance and respect...
Our culture has obviously a strong tie with Islam, but we are a secularist nation...And the freedom of religion should be a "holy" right...
As a Turk living in Europe (France), I am even amazed and sad because of all these so-called Muslims here who dare making proselytism ( and even propaganda)...
Seeing groups of turkish women all wearing headscarfs is something that makes me sick...I respect them, but I feel they don't want to respect anything...
Religion ( Islam or any other ) must be a personal choice, and it must be practiced with respect towards non-believing and non-practicing persons.
2007-09-01 02:46:14 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 8⤊ 2⤋
Just disgusting.You can't accuse anybody of promoting''mild Islam'' in your country.You know what they say ''Her millet layık olduğu şekilde yönetilir''.I didn't dare to translate it.
2007-09-01 00:10:07 · answer #6 · answered by edd 3 · 3⤊ 0⤋
holy chit! Things are sounding bad.
I hope it just goes away like the head scarf protest fashion of 6 years+/- ago.
Which reminds me, what is Fetttullah Guller (or GULsomethingorother) up to in the middle of all of this?
2007-09-01 01:54:29 · answer #7 · answered by ithinkiatetoomuch 5 · 5⤊ 1⤋
Ok, I know this is a serious issue and I completely agree with what Ipek says, but this cracks me up everytime I watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWn9bgVC0pU
2007-09-01 09:45:26 · answer #8 · answered by Earthling 7 · 3⤊ 0⤋
They have to go inside my opinion. you know we say "ibadette gizli kabahatte"
2007-09-01 10:53:12 · answer #9 · answered by mujde 5 · 1⤊ 0⤋
in your last question you was complaining about racism against the turks of europe
if you don't like to see all that in your muslim country how do you expect the europeans to like that ?
2007-09-01 03:04:30 · answer #10 · answered by green girl 1 · 8⤊ 2⤋