What do you think about this undeniable proof that backs creationism?

Question

Pope says evolution can't be proven:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070411/pope_evolution_070411/20070411?hub=SciTech

If the Pope is always right then saying that evolution isn't completely proven means that creationism is the only other logical alternative. If this isn't unbiased proof I don't know what is. :P

Answer 1

Well, the important thing to note is that neither does he say that creationism is the only proven answer either.

It depends on your own personal belief. A Christian or Jew is certainly going to want to favour the 'Creation in 6 days' story and will go with the whole Adam and Eve thing. A Shinto or Hindu will have a different creation story.

What remains is that science has already proven that the universe is much bigger and older than it states it is in the bible. Human beings are much, much older that the bible claims and it's also very obvious that we share a common ancentry with the ape family. Now, there are people who believe in God and believe that he had a hand in the creation of human beings, yet they also believe some - if not all - of the evolution theories.

Science - like religion - is a work in progress. Over the many thousands of years, the two have been interlinked as they have tried to find answers to the many mysteries of life, the universe and everything. In this topic, they have certainly chosen to go their own different ways. I choose - after looking at the evidence on both sides - to go with science and the Evolution Theory.

The pope has actually played his cards very close to his chest here. Unbiased? Maybe. Proof? Not a bit of it. He just hasn't committed to a side. In fact, his words make it obvious that he accepts there is serious doubt about the validity of the Creation Myth. He is actually saying what any scientist worth his salt would tell you. "Yes, there are some things we still don't know the answers to in the Evolution Theory, but it holds up very convincingly against the Creation Myth!". And even if the Pope WAS saying that the Creation Myth is the only valid answer, he's only speaking for Catholics - not protestants, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, Hindus or any of the other many faiths of the world and the athiests and agnostics.

The thing is, you may have read Genesis, but have you also read any of the other creation stories - most much older than the bible versions? I'm not going to tell you I've read them all - or even half of them - because I haven't. Have you read the scientific explanations of evolution? If you haven't, then you should. To make a claim that this is unbiased proof of the Creation Myth basded on your desired interpretation of some vague words by Benedict is not proof of any kind.

I choose to believe in evolution because I can see it all around me in the everyday world and in museums and books. It makes logical sense to me. But I feel that it's an ongoing puzzle that we are slowly solving. As I look at one thing in evolution, other things become clear. When I do that with the bible, I just see wild speculation and a lot of contradiction. Certainly no answers.

And yes, I have read Genesis.

Answer 2

First let me make it very clear that the Pope is considered infallible only by an edict passed by the Council of Cardinals (Sometime in the 1860s I think; about the time of the USA's Civil War), NOT by a proclamation from God. And then only in matters of the Catholic Church.

I read your reference. I do not have the same conclusion as you. Here's a quote from the article "He stopped short of endorsing intelligent design, but said scientific and philosophical reason must work together in a way that does not exclude faith.". What could be more clear?! You apparently have digested only that part of the article which supports your particular view.

And, No! Creationism is not the only other conclusion, logical or illogical. L. Ron Hubbard and his ilk have a good argument for population via alien means. And of course the Hindi, Buddhists and a host of other religions have supportive evidence via their texts, in a manner similar to the texts of the Christians, that support other ideas of how humans came to be.

And I think it ludicrous and terribly conceited of us humans to believe that we are the "final" design. That we have evolved from less complicated creatures, and that we will evolve into more complicated creatures, is in my perspective an immutable fact. The exact track from the past to now may never be known. The track ahead is, for now, unknowable.

Answer 3

I get it! If not A...then B.

The Pope is a genius and also a respected biologist (right?). If he wasn't such a creepy looking fella folks might actually listen to him.

Then I wonder, how could God be so cruel? The Pope looks like the Boogie Man for Christ's sake. He's scaring the kids! Why? Shouldn't he have more of a St. Nick demeanor to him?

Answer 4

Actually, this Pope and the previous Pope both believe in Science, the Scientific Method and the Theory of Evolution as an excellent example of science.

He only wants to stop when people try to use science to answer questions about god, religion, or the purpose and meaning of life.

http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/fbns/fbns269.html

Answer 5

The Pope will say evolution can't be proven just as oil companies will tell us there is no such thing as man made global warming. Anything else would be bad for their business. The Pope is no scientist.

Answer 6

The Catholic church used to believe that the Sun went around the Earth. And people who spoke out and said the Earth went around the Sun were burned alive. If evolutions is not true, how do we have blacks, whites, asians and Native americans from just Adam and Eve?

Answer 7

Evolution has been proven, and done so with many examples.
Try reading something other than the Bible and Chick tracks and you might learn a few things.

Answer 8

One pope back and you find John Paul saying the opposite .
Maybe he was a little less political and a little more intelligent than the current infallible contradiction.

Answer 9

What is the pope's scientific background to dismiss evolution?

And if what you said as "undeniable proof" is not as moronic as can be, I don't know what is.

Answer 10

Well think logically for a moment. If you believed taht the universe started with the big bang therory, then this question. Where did the random particalls that joined together first come from? Ok next thought, evolution, where did the laws of physics and evolving come from. These are only two examples but each way you look at other ideas of how the world came to be if you go back far enough a creator is nessessary. So that alone proves creationism for the other theroies cannot even prove themselves a logical way of starting.