Perfect beings that sin?

Question

Were Adam & Eve & Lucifer perfect creations?

I'm not going to use the term "holy" cause people fight over what/who is actually "holy"... but as far being created perfect, would you not then live your life making perfect decisions? I'm having a hard time understanding this concept.

It also makes me think - just because we get into heaven doesn't mean we'll be there eternally. You have the choice to sin... and that option is available for all of eternity... seems like after however many billion trillion years that nobody would be left in heaven, cause all would 'slip' eventually!

malak... you say Lucifer sinned spontaneously (there was no sin tempting him, just a situation that he should have been happy about - cause it made God happy) so why can't others do the same thing in Heaven?

Answer 1

Good question.
They were created perfect, but still had free will and the option to sin. I think 'perfect' in this sense means healthy/free of disease/etc.
Seems like you're making a lot of assumptions. For example, why do you think we won't be in heaven forever? Lucifer was never a person. How do you know that sin is an eternal option? I've never seen any reason to believe that.

Hope you find your answer.

Peace

Answer 2

Adam and Eve were perfect creations until they chose to sin. When They were placed in the garden, they were given full range of it, with only the instruction not to eat from the specific tree. God, however, granted them free will, and when Lucifer appeared to Eve and enticed her to eat, she was defying God. This constitued a sin. At this point, they became ashamed and even began covering their bodies, which they were not doing before.
Heaven is eternal and perfect. When you go to heaven, you again become a perfect being. No sin exists there. That's just how God created it. You would not "slip" because you have no need or want to.
I suggest that you get a Living Bible. It will paraphrase the entire Bible for you in novel form. It is super easy to read and understand, especially the beginng which you are having trouble with. From there, hopefully you can establish a relationship with God of your own.

Answer 3

Adam and Eve, although material but not human beings, are evolutionary beings like ourselves. They were not created in perfection but, just like ourselves, will someday attain perfection slowly and progressively on their Paradise ascent.
Lucifer, on the other hand, was a System Sovereign, a high Son of God in charge of 1,000 inhabited planets who betrayed his trust, to put it generously. These high sons are deliberately given a great deal of personal latitude in how they rule their systems and, because of that, they're prone to over exaggerate their sense of self importance and defy the divine plan, hence the Lucifer Rebellion.

For more information on Adam and Eve and the nefarious Lucifer, I highly recommend the book Adam and Eve - A Tragic Love Story. This is a serious and scholarly work and you'll find it most illuminating.

http://www.amazon.com/Adam-Eve-Tragic-Love-Story/dp/0741432722/ref=sr_1_2/102-0129104-3038560?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1188732182&sr=1-2

Answer 4

Um, I'm not getting this. Do you really think people in heaven would be prone to sin? Most sin is caused by our inability to resist temptation, and I'm just guessing here, but heaven should be a temptation free zone. As for Lucifer, he wasn't overcome by temptation, but by jealousy of humanity. When the angels were told to watch over and protect humans, he got angry, figuring we were made after the angels and therefore not worthy of being protected by them. His sin was pride. Free will is the biggy here, and he let pride lead him in the wrong direction.

Answer 5

I'm not sure I understand your question. You seem to question the decision of Adam and Eve in partaking of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil and indicating that it was not 'perfect' (however you are defining it).

Adam and Eve and Lucifer are all literal children of God. Adam and Eve, having made the decision in the pre-mortal world to follow God's Plan of Happiness, were given bodies and were put on earth.

As far as heaven being emptied out due to its inhabitants sinning - I think not. True repentance is not only sorrow for sins, and humble penitence and contrition before God, but it involves the necessity of turning away from them, a discontinuance of all evil practices and deeds, a thorough reformation of life, a vital change from evil to good, from vice to virtue, from darkness to light - - in other words, will not have the desire to do evil. And Satan will not have power over them.


In the Garden of Eden, God commanded, "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it, nevertheless, thou mayest choose for thyself, for it is given unto thee; but remember that I forbid it, for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Because Adam and Eve transgressed this command and partook of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they were cast out from the presence of the Lord. In other words, they experienced spiritual death. They also became mortal—subject to physical death. This spiritual and physical death is called the Fall.

Our Fallen Condition
As descendants of Adam and Eve, we inherit a fallen condition during mortality. We are separated from the presence of the Lord and subject to physical death. We are also placed in a state of opposition, in which we are tested by the difficulties of life and the temptations of the adversary.

In this fallen condition, we have a conflict within us. We are spirit children of God, with the potential to be "partakers of the divine nature." However, "we are unworthy before [God]; because of the fall our natures have become evil continually." We need to strive continually to overcome unrighteous passions and desires.

An angel said, "The natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam." We are warned that in this natural, or fallen, state, each person will be an enemy to God forever "unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father."

Benefits of the Fall
The Fall is an integral part of Heavenly Father's plan of salvation. It has a twofold direction—downward yet forward. In addition to introducing physical and spiritual death, it gave us the opportunity to be born on the earth and to learn and progress. Through our righteous exercise of agency and our sincere repentance when we sin, we can come unto Christ and, through His Atonement, prepare to receive the gift of eternal life.

"If Adam had not transgressed he would not have fallen, but he would have remained in the garden of Eden. And all things which were created must have remained in the same state in which they were after they were created; and they must have remained forever, and had no end.

"And [Adam and Eve] would have had no children; wherefore they would have remained in a state of innocence, having no joy, for they knew no misery; doing no good, for they knew no sin.

"But behold, all things have been done in the wisdom of him who knoweth all things.

"Adam fell that men might be; and men are, that they might have joy.

"And the Messiah cometh in the fulness of time, that he may redeem the children of men from the fall."

Adam and Eve expressed their gratitude for the blessings that came as a result of the Fall:

"Adam blessed God and was filled, and began to prophesy concerning all the families of the earth, saying: Blessed be the name of God, for because of my transgression my eyes are opened, and in this life I shall have joy, and again in the flesh I shall see God.

"And Eve, his wife, heard all these things and was glad, saying: Were it not for our transgression we never should have had seed, and never should have known good and evil, and the joy of our redemption, and the eternal life which God giveth unto all the obedient."

Redemption from the Fall
Because of our fallen, mortal nature and our individual sins, our only hope is in Jesus Christ and the plan of redemption.

Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, everyone will be redeemed from the effects of the Fall. We will be resurrected, and we will be brought back into the presence of the Lord to be judged.

In addition to redeeming us from the universal effects of the Fall, the Savior can redeem us from our own sins. In our fallen state, we sin and distance ourselves from the Lord, bringing spiritual death upon ourselves. As the Apostle Paul said, "All have sinned, and come short of the glory of God." If we remain in our sins, we cannot dwell in the presence of God, for "no unclean thing can dwell . . . in his presence." Thankfully, the Atonement "bringeth to pass the condition of repentance," making it possible for us to receive forgiveness for our sins and dwell in the presence of God forever. We've been taught, "There was a space granted unto man in which he might repent; therefore this life became a probationary state; a time to prepare to meet God; a time to prepare for that endless state which has been spoken of by us, which is after the resurrection of the dead."

Gratitude for the Savior's Atoning Sacrifice
Just as we do not really desire food until we are hungry, we will not fully desire eternal salvation until we recognize our need for the Savior. This recognition comes as we grow in our understanding of the Fall.