Atheists, your best argument against this message?

Question

http://www.gotquestions.org/Does-God-exist.html

Answer 1

Who wrote that? That was awesome...especially the last paragraph. But, sad to say.....many people whose hearts are hardened toward God aren't willing to change. We just have to pray for them..
But let's not encourage them to argue.
For this is not the kind of righteous God desires or requires.
(and that would be a man's anger)
So let's not stir it up in them
Thanks for posting.
Be Blessed my friend.

Answer 2

I will admit that I didn't read all of it, so I will do the best I can.

The first argument can be summed up really easy: "Sunsets exist therefore God Exists" I really feel that I don't need to say anymore about that (This is classed as a "Logical Argument").

The Second Argument is pretty much the same, it's that age old argument: "If we were a few more inches closer to the sun we wouldn't exist" I'm not sure how this proves God or a creator at all.

The Third is my all time favorite: "Energy Can't come from nowhere so God Exists" When someone says that or something similar I ask, What created God? as by the logic of the question God can't come from nothing.

Answer 3

That was a lot of something about nothing. The best proof that God does not exist is to prove that he does. You admit you can't, then why should I believe it?

Nature is not proof that God exists. It's proof that nature exists.

"The most popular form of the ontological argument basically uses the concept of God to prove God’s existence. It begins with the definition of God as “that than which no greater can be conceived.” It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist then God would not be the greatest conceivable being - but that would contradict God's very definition." This is pure nonsense. You cannot prove that God exists because he says he does. Just like you can't use the Bible....which is nothing more than stories...to prove anything to do with religion. It's FALSE! It would only work for a believer...not a non-believer.

"The teleological argument is that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a Divine designer." More rubbish. The universe does NOT display such an amazing design that it must be Divine design. Everything in the universe has a scientific explanation.

"If the elements in our atmosphere were even a few percentage points different, every living thing on earth would die. The odds of a single protein molecule forming by chance is 1 in 10243 (that is a 10 followed by 243 0’s). A single cell is comprised of millions of protein molecules." Every element in our atmosphere was created by the lifeforms living on this planet. That is why it is perfect for life. The first life forms on the surface of the planet had cholorphyll...which made oxygen. When oxygen-breathing life formed, then there was carbon-dioxide. Everything about this planet as evolved. When our planet was first formed, it was very uninhabitable. It changed through time because of meteors, volcanic eruptions, and mostly because of life.

"A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God." Says WHO? I say it isn't God. Prove that it is.

"Allow me one last argument for God’s existence. How do I know God exists? I know God exists because I speak to Him every day." DELUSIONAL!

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Answer 4

It is believers who are making the assertion that God exists. Like it or not, it is their responsibility to provide some evidence to prove their assertion is true. Nothing about that "message" sheds one photon of light on the issue. The Ontological, Teleological, and Cosmological arguements has been discredited so many times it's not worth the effort it takes to contradict them (and everybody above me has already done an excellent job).

I'm beginning suspect that believers are actually unable to descriminate between their own subjective experience and objective (physical) reality. This is why all their "proofs" read like psychotic delusions. Just because a believer senses God's presence in their subjective consciousness, it does not justify their erroneous conclusion that God therefore exists in objective reality. As with all other deluded people, Christians persistently confuse their own conscious awareness with objective reality.

Answer 5

That message, basically!

If they have to resort to the ontological and cosmological arguments it is clear they are either naive, or scrabbling to pile pebbles together to try and make a heap.

Appeals to the existence of morality as proof of God is possibly even worse.

But the appeal to peer group pressure caps it all.
" it is safe step into a well-lit room where 90% of people are already standing."

Oh yes, go with the crowd. They can't possibly be wrong.
They weren't about the crusades, slavery, denying women equal rights and the vote...

Answer 6

There is as much proof that there is a magic purple bunny who hides behind the moon that created the world. Who are you to say there isn't a magic bunny? I shouldn't have to prove it! That is exactly what you are saying.

Now picture that millions of people one day believed in this bunny, and you knew it was a crock. How would you feel? Probably a LOT like an Atheist does...

Answer 7

I am not an athiest, but this posting isn't an argument for the existence of God! Just because the Bible says so doesn't make it fact!
This was my favorite passage, "A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God."
Oh gee, well you convinced me! There's the proof right there! DUH! That's ridiculous!
Anyway, I have to disagree with Obscure. I think puppies ARE a proof. Can you make a puppy? Can anybody? And I don't mean, take the sperm from one dog and impregnate the egg from another...I mean, take nothing, and create something that will grow into a dog.
'Nuff said.

Answer 8

The message doesn't say jack. It's the same old rhetoric. There is NO evidence of the existence of a God or gods. None. Zero.
And it IS the believers responsibility to prove God's existence, because they're the ones telling us that WE should believe in it. (Not to mention trying to force it into our laws, schools, and government.) Just because a majority might believe in it, doesn't change the rule that the one making the claim is the one responsible for providing proof. We are not making any claims, we are only not believing yours.

Answer 9

My rebuttal for every argument on that page.

"Since over 98% of people throughout history, in all cultures, in all civilizations, on all continents believe in the existence of some kind of God – there must be something (or someone) causing this belief."

Most of the time it was a lack of knowledge of a scientific process.

"It begins with the definition of God as 'that than which no greater can be conceived.' It is then argued that to exist is greater than to not exist, and therefore the greatest conceivable being must exist. If God did not exist then God would not be the greatest conceivable being - but that would contradict God's very definition."

The greatest conceivable thing doesn't have to exist. I could conceived the greatest car ever - top speed of 100 metres per second, perfect safety etc etc. According to the above argument, as it is the greatest car conceived, it must exist. But obviously it doesn't.

"The teleological argument is that since the universe displays such an amazing design, there must have been a Divine designer."

False. Life can be supported, so it exists. Life is a byproduct of the universe.

"A third logical argument for God’s existence is called the cosmological argument. Every effect must have a cause. This universe and everything in it is an effect. There must be something that caused everything to come into existence. Ultimately, there must be something “un-caused” in order to cause everything else to come into existence. That “un-caused” something is God."

The universe is just as valid as an un-caused cause as a God, and it doesn't involve extra entities - Occam's Razor applies here.

"A fourth argument is known as the moral argument. Every culture throughout history has had some form of law. Everyone has a sense of right and wrong. Murder, lying, stealing, and immorality are almost universally rejected. Where did this sense of right and wrong come from if not from a holy God?"

Society relies on trust to function. Lying, stealing etc dissolves that trust.

"People claim to not believe in God because it is “not scientific” or “because there is no proof.” The true reason is that once people admit that there is a God, they also must realize that they are responsible to God and in need of forgiveness from God"

Christians shouldn't make claims that they know why atheists are atheists better than the atheists themselves.

"God exists and ultimately everyone knows that He exists."

Wrong. I don't think he exists. Why does that writer claim he knows what I think more than I do?

"The very fact that some attempt so aggressively to disprove His existence is in fact an argument for His existence."

Nope. People are aggressive against religion as everyone is affected by it, whether they want to be or not. In some cases, religion slows the progress of medical progress, denies rights to certain groups of people etc etc. Even if they don't have that particular belief.

"Allow me one last argument for God’s existence. How do I know God exists? I know God exists because I speak to Him every day. I do not audibly hear Him speaking back to me, but I sense His presence, I feel His leading, I know His love, I desire His grace."

People have had experiences of being abducted by aliens, talked to all manner of deities. This argument leads to the claim that, therefore, every deity exists, aliens really do abduct people and probe them.

"Faith in God is not a blind leap into the dark, it is safe step into a well-lit room where 90% of people are already standing."

Although those 90% of people are in fact in tens of thousands of different 'well lit' rooms, all of which claim to be the only room.

Sorry, not a single convincing or new argument in that page.

Answer 10

That web page says about things happening that could only be caused by God. What a load of rubbish. That doesn't even qualify as an argument.

Answer 11

> Looking at the stars, understanding the
> vastness of the universe, observing the
> wonders of nature, seeing the beauty of
> a sunset – all of these things point to a
> Creator God.

What's the syllogism for that?

Fine, I'll continue:

> he most popular form of the
> ontological argument basically
> uses the concept of God to prove
> God’s existence.

So the concept for ESP could prove ESP's existence?

> A third logical argument for God’s
> existence is called the cosmological
> argument. Every effect must have a
> cause. This universe and everything in it is an
> effect. There must be something that
> caused everything to come into existence.

That isn't the cosmological argument. The writer doesn't understand his own arguments. The cosmological argument is a tautology of the fine-tuning of physics. Tautologies are logically correct but not actual valid arguments.

The cause/effect argument, which is *not* the cosmological argument, argues against God. Because if everything must have cause, God is not an exception to that, and He must therefor have an cause himself.

> Allow me one last argument for God’s
> existence. How do I know God exists?
> I know God exists because I speak to
> Him every day.

Apply to imaginary friends children have.

Done and done.