Can we agree on what's evidence of god and what's not?

Question

not list--
fortunate coincidences, existence (non sequitur), beauty (subjective), faith (hoping, guessing), a holy book, a good feeling

yes list--
god making a personal appearance (not to be confused with a good feeling), god suspending the natural laws of physics

do we agree?

Answer 1

I would add life and consciousness to the "Not List." These things are explainable with biology, chemistry, and probability.

I would also add to the "Yes List" design (not to be confused with order) and purpose (not to be confused with usefulness). And also necessity; if someone proved that God is physically or philosophically necessary.

Answer 2

Question regarding your "yes" list -- when you refer to God making a personal appearance, does that mean a personal appearance to each individual person, or would one personal appearance and the eyewitness testimony of people who were there during the personal appearance count for everybody?

Likewise for the "God suspending the natural laws of physics" bit -- does each person need to experience that personally, or would you count it if it happened to, say, your brother, and he told you all about it.

Will come back to add my answer based on your response. Thanks!

Answer 3

Do Buddhists believe in a creator god?

No, we do not. There are several logical reasons for this. The Buddha, like modern scientists, sociologists and psychologists, believed that religious ideas and especially the god idea have their origins in fear. The Buddha says:

"Gripped by fear men go to sacred mountains, sacred groves, sacred trees and shrines." *Dhammpada 188

Primitive man found himself in a dangerous and hostile world, the fear of wild animals, of not being able to find enough food, of injury or disease, and of natural phenomena like thunder, lightning and volcanoes was constantly with him. Finding no security, he created the idea of god in order to give him comfort in good times, courage in times of danger and consolation when things went wrong. To this day, you will notice that people become more religious at times of crises, you will hear them say that the belief in a god gives them the strength they need to deal with life. You will hear them explain that they believe in god because they prayed in time of need and their prayer was answered. All this seems to support the Buddha’s teaching that the god-idea is a response to fear and frustration. The Buddha taught us to try to understand our fears, to lessen our desires and to calmly and courageously accept the things we cannot change. He replaced fear, not with irrational belief but with rational understanding.

The second reason the Buddha did not believe in a creator god is because there does not seem to be any evidence to support this idea. There are numerous religions, all claiming that they alone have god’s words preserved in their holy book, that they alone understand god’s nature, that their god exists and that the gods of other religions do not. Some claim that god is masculine, some that she is feminine and others that it is neuter. They are all satisfied that there is ample evidence to prove the existence of their god but they laugh in disbelief at the evidence other religions use to prove the existence of another god. It is not surprising that with so many different religions spending so many centuries trying to prove the existence of their gods that still no real, concrete, substantial or irrefutable evidence has been found. Buddhists suspend judgement until such evidence is forthcoming.

The third reason the Buddha did not believe in a creator god is that the belief is not necessary. Some claim that the belief in a god is necessary in order to explain the origin of the universe. But this is not so. Science has very convincingly explained how the universe came into being without having to introduce the god-idea. Some claim that belief in god is necessary to have a happy, meaningful life. Again we can see that this is not so. There are millions of Atheists, free-thinkers and Buddhists, who live useful, happy and meaningful lives without belief in a creator god. Some claim that belief in god’s power is necessary because humans, being weak, do not have the strength to help themselves. Once again, the evidence indicates the opposite. One often hears of people who have overcome great disabilities and handicaps, enormous odds and difficulties through their own inner resources, through their own efforts and without belief in a god. Some claim that god is necessary in order to give man salvation. But this argument only holds good if you accept the theological concept of salvation and Buddhists do not accept such a concept. Based on his own experience, the Buddha saw that each human being had the capacity to purify the mind, develop infinite love and compassion and perfect understanding. He shifted attention from the heavens to the heart and encouraged us to find solutions to our problems through self-understanding.

But if there is no creator god how did the universe get here?

All religions have myths and stories which attempt to answer this question. In ancient times, when man simply did not know, such myths were adequate, but in the 20th century, in the age of physics, astronomy and geology, such myths have been superseded by scientific fact. Science has explained the origin of the universe without recourse to the god-idea.

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Answer 4

I'm curious to know how "Calmness" can assert that laws of nature can't form on their own -- does he have acces to a guaranteed "God-free universe" for comparison?

Answer 5

Laws do not form on their own. (by pure coincidence)

(laws of mathematics and physics that govern our whole universe)

theyre too orderly and harmonious to have come about by sheer coincidence. And any intelligent person can see that.

Answer 6

No, how can that be evidence!!!!!!! Try putting that forward as evidence in court an see how far you get!!

Answer 7

LIFE is evidence of God.Death is not evidance of god.

Answer 8

No.

Peace