Pro-Choice & Atheist: Ever heard this one? A guy was really, really mad. One of his best friends had cancer?

Question

and just passed away. The guy was mad, and he was mad at God. Being an atheist, he had never prayed. He wanted to tell God off so he decided he'd pray just this once. He looked toward Heaven, shook his fist, and said "God, if you are so loving, so smart, and so powerful, why didn't you send us someone who would find a cure for cancer?" "Somebody conquered TB so why not cancer?" " Why not give us someone that knows the cure?" Just then this guy heard a voice and the voice said to him : "I already did." "I did send someone that knew the cure for cancer, but before he could be born, his mother had an abortion." "He never got the chance to do his work." ...I don't mean to sound cruel, I had a relative die from cancer. But, cancer isn't the real issue here...abortion is.

Answer 1

Lame.

You ignore the real issues behind abortion.

Also, I know you won't believe this, but there are plenty of pro-choicers who believe in God.

Try thinking about things from a different perspective for a while. Maybe you'll come to understand why abortion is a necessary evil in this world of ours.

Answer 2

That is an ignorant question. Atheists do not believe in God so why would this one pray to a non-entity. Your whole question lacks understanding of Atheism.

As for abortion, I find it distasteful. Atheists are not necessarily "pro-choice" so that is another example of the flaw in your question. You are presuming too much.

Your question also presumes that God would know what a person was going to do before the person was born. If God knew that, God would also know that the person would have been aborted and therefor never contribute to the study of cancer. This is a logical flaw in your question. Abortion obviated a future for the fetus and God would have known this.

The question is also an indictment of abortion--trying to show that abortion is evil because it prevented good people from being born, however the question fails to state that abortion may prevent many bad people from being born as well. Unwanted children of single mothers who run wild in adolescence and end up becoming gang banging murderers, rapists, thieves, and druggies because the mothers did not abort them seems to me worse than had they been aborted.

Thus, your argument fails on many grounds. It is an appeal to emotion, but when looked at more closely, even fails at that as well.

Answer 3

Why would an atheist shake his hand at God to blame him for the death of a friend? Atheists don't believe in god, remember?
If god really knows what's going to happen before it happened, then you would expect that he'd be smart enough to give the child to someone capable of raising it, wouldn't you?
On the other hand, what if the atheist shook his hand at Satan & blamed him for the cancer instead? And what if Satan said "God did send a guy to cure cancer, but when he was in college, a psychopath murdered him & the rest of his class. If the psycho had been aborted as i'd intended, that would never have happened - so go blame god for his pro-lifers!!".
There are always two sides to every argument. Duh!

Answer 4

Let's reverse it. What about the aborted fetus who would become the next Hitler? Same extremes.

Or why not use that same argument against contraception?

"Why don't you give us someone that knows the cure?"

Because you chose to use a Trojan instead of allowing another potential life to exist, instead of killing off 14 million sperm.

A sperm and egg are also alive, and virtually the same as a fertilized egg. What makes one a murder and the other a nocturnal emission?

An embryo can contain around 100 cells, while a fly brain has around 100,000. Do you realize this? We're also talking about the end of a potential life here. And cures are not "known" by someone who is born. They are discovered by learning medicine and by testing.

Answer 5

Shall we look at what's wrong with your scenario?

1) Atheists don't believe in gods, they wouldn't be mad at your one.
(additionally, one cannot shake their fist in the direction of heaven as it is apparently another dimension)

2) Medical research is not dependant on individuals, it is based on collective research. Sure, there's always someone who comes up with a break-through in science but if they didn't do it, someone else would.

3) Women don't just have abortions because they feel like it. There's a helluva lot of emotion stress involved in just making the decision, not to mention the situations that led up to them conceiving. See Hedgewitch's answer for a very real explanation.

Answer 6

what a load of over-emotional blackmail and drivel

plus, an atheist wouldnt be 'mad at god' because he or she DOES NOT BELIEVE IN GOD!!!

ok, well let me just put a few ideas to you.....

why it is necessary for women forced into this dreadful situation to be called murderers??
do you think all women who have had this operation have done so with a light heart and a smile on their face?
No They Have Not

yes, the decision to undergo this operation depends on the circumstances, and in the vast majority of cases, each women has a very valid reason.

and to the knee-jerk reactionists who spout such cr*p as "should have used a condom" etc -

1 - do you not realise that some women have been raped and do not wish to keep the seed of their abuser? for an example - a 12 year old girl who has been raped again by her uncle and has fallen pregnant by him?
2 - or a woman raped on her way home from work, with 3 children to look after and a husband to consider, as well as her mental welfare?

3 - have you not heard of conditions such as Turner's Syndrome, where the foetus becomes so deformed physically and mentally that it will either die in the womb or be still-born? causing dangerous infections to the mother and perhaps preventing her to be able to conceive again? this happened to my best friend; it was her first child, newly married [about a year], desperately happy.. then the devastating news, the numerous tests.. the final blow..

yet you think in all these cases, each woman should carry their child full-term?

really?

there are urban myths about women who use abortion as a form of contraception - i am sure there are very few women who have done this, but of course the propaganda machine creaks into action and the over-emotional tunnel-visioned folk come out the woodwork and dare to make women with genuine reasons [see above] feel guilty about having to undertake an operation that is physically, mentally and emotionally traumatic.

for those who oppose abortion, i say, grow up, spend some time in the real world, and walk a mile in that woman's footsteps before you dare to critisise or preach to her

i hope that everyone can be mature and grasp the understanding that some women have no choice.
so, should they be able to have this operation safely in a sanitised hospital, or will you force them into back alleys, with high risk of infection and death? hmm.... let me know.

i would offer any woman who was faced with this situation unconditional love and support, be non-judgemental and remind them they are not evil or careless.

i hope the anti-abortionists can grow up and feel that way too.

and i hope you climb down over your sanctimonious and moral high horse before your arrogance topples you off

Answer 7

Yes, I think it is a bullsh!t story created by christians.

A. If this guy is an atheist, he will not be mad at imaginary creature for the death of his friend.

B. If this guy call on god, he has to be a theist not an atheist.

So there is a big loophole in your story.

Anyway, not all cancers are incurable, and not all cancers are cured in the same way. Just to show how much you know about medical sciences.

Answer 8

The main character in your story is not an atheist. Atheists don't believe in God, a true atheist wouldn't 'tell God off' unless they were hallucinating.
It would be like an adult yelling at Santa because they didn't get what they wanted for Christmas.
And not all atheists are pro-choice and not all pro-choicers are atheists.

EDIT: In case anyone gets offended, I'm not actually comparing God to Santa...I know many people genuinely believe in God and I have no wish to insult them. I just wished to highlight how unlikely it would be for an actual atheist to 'tell God off'.

Answer 9

Why would an atheist pray to something that doesn't exist?
The guy who was aborted could just as easily have been another Hitler so perhaps the abortionist did the world a favor.

Answer 10

Then God in that senario is a bastard. He is all-knowing, so he knew that people would get aborted and intentionally put the knowledge in a person he knew would never be born. Some kind, loving God he is. He's just a jerk.

Of course, this senario is rediculous, because knowledge does not come from God, but observation and abstract thought.