We all get the point that the Christian God doesn't like gays. Can you give a good reason why?

Question

I don't know of any good reason. NONE. Give me one decent reason why anyone, including a deity, would care about someone elses personal life. It doesn't hurt anyone. Most gays keep to themselves, and don't bother people. Their relationships are based on love, the same as my relationship with my lady. Every species of higher life on this planet has a gay or bisexual population. It is totally natural, even if it is a minority. So what is the problem?

HappyCows....: there is no proof that your god even exists, and that book is a bad joke.

byHisgrace: your god did not create me, my parents did.

MissData: gays should not be expected to live their lives alone because of how they feel. If your religion actually believes that, it is a heartless and useless religion. Maybe everyone who is sterile should have to spend the rest of their lives alone too then.

transplanted_fireweed: your god has never said anything. If your god had anything to say he'd say it out loud to everyone, in clear language rather than a mixed up book of stories. Some bronze age bigots made up their rules and to give it authority accredited it to a god.

jesse: I really didn't expect such a fine, thoughtful answer from a member of the Christian community on this particular subject. Thank you much.

Answer 1

You are pointing to a fundamental flaw in theological thinking. If believers are to be consistent, they can only answer that their god wanted it that way, and therefore that's all the reason needed - and that's all the reason forthcoming. There are no other coherent arguments.

The problem is that once they own up to this, the whole issue of just what is moral becomes a meaningless laundry list of taboos with nothing to back them save the mysterious "will of the lord."

Practically speaking of course, believers cherry-pick and "re-interpret" what they deem are "musts." And sometimes this is quite to the good of all. For example, except in the case of the most pathological fanatics, the command to "honor" your parents becomes hot air when there's child abuse.

However, there are scriptural prescriptions that fit in quite nicely with the basest prejudices of the believer. In these cases the believer is "convinced" of the "absolute truth" of the literal rendition of the primitive text. Take the example of the answer that states that made a man for a woman etc. and all the rest "is sin." Not only did she not answer your question, she actually stated the "philosophical" case that goes: "Because god said so--, nyah, nyah nyah nyah, nyah nyah,! So there!"

The sad part is that most of the answers will be banal forms of the same non-answer.

Answer 2

No, this is not true. He still loves those who chose to go against His will, including those who gay-identify and choose a gay lifestyle. He does not favor any particular kind of people over any other, whether good in the eyes of others or not.

But, yes, God doesn't like self-determined, premeditated rebellious acts! Why would that be in the case of homoeroticisim, let alone any erotic indulgence outside the parameters of traditional marriage? Well, first of all, God made us and wants to respect how He made us. Don't you think that in itself gives Him the right to tell us how to live our lives? And, He doesn't ssay these things capriciously, but for a very good reason. Science is telling us much about what these sober reasons are. So, let's look at some of these reasons, which indeed does then indicate just how much God does cares about us by giving us prohibitions, since He doesn't want us to suffer as a result of rebelling:

Direct and indirect affects on us and our community:

Did you know that 71% of the HIV/AIDS patients in the past ten years are MSM (men who have sex with men) and STD's such as syphilis, gonnorhea, and the HPV virus have multiplied 11 times over concerbing new cases since 10 years ago because of men having sex with men (MSM)? These stats are from the CDC. Then a Dutch study in 2002, a gay friendly environment, found that gays and lesbians have mutliple times more cases of mental health and substance abuse problems thanthe general population. It also found that while the average duration of an heterosexual couple commitment is 22 years, gay male coupling is only 1 and a half to two years in length, and lesbians 5 to 6 years. Plus, the gay males, while in this commitment, had on average 8 other male sexual relationships/ encounters durng this time span, whereas only 23% of heterosexuals admitted to at least one infidelity.

People who experience such medical and mental health issues have much negative affect on their community, especially if they are raising children. Think about it, if a child is raised by a father who has had say three different male spouses, which would be better than the average of gay male relationships, but now are estranged, what kind of affect does that have on them, knowing that largest factor in child and adolescent suicide is divorce?!

Answer 3

YOU are saying "it is totally natural". GOD says it is "unnatural". Somehow I think God has the official, and certainly the last, word. It is certainly not the way God created Adam when he made him from the dust of the earth, nor the way he created Eve out of a rib taken from Adam's side....he made them male and female with genitalia designed for copulation, and his instruction to them were to procreate. That is natural. The very design of the sex organs alone should tell you that homosexuality is abnormal. When men have to use each other's anises, an orifice solely intended for purposes of elimination, and women have to use dildos on each other to satisfy their sexual cravings, how can you call that "natural"? It is more honest to say they are substituting something phoney for what God created original. God doesn't give a reason why homosexuality is classed as a sin of the flesh, so anything we say is mere speculation. Suffice it to say, it alters and mocks what God created and intended for the human race.

God does not dislike gays. God loves everyone, including gays. What he doesn't like is the unnatural act of sex with the same gender. God has a right to care about our personal life because he made us, and just like an automobile manufacturer knows the best way to take care of its vehicles for optimum performance even though we don't understand all the "whys" in the owners manual, even more so does the creator know the best way for "every species of higher life on this planet" to live life to the fullest. While we may not understand the "whys", if we are smart we will heed his counsel.

Answer 4

It's NOT NATURAL. It's just so common now, that people say it is. They have been given over to a reprobate mind. (thinking evil is good and good is evil) The Bible says "Woe to those who think evil is good, and good is evil."
God cares because He created you! Don't you think it's His business? "You were bought at a price. You are not your own."
Jesus paid for your sins at the cross with His precious blood. When you do evil in the sight of God, it is mocking what Christ has done for us. God cannot look upon sin. That's why even when His only begotten Son was dying on the cross, He couldn't look upon Him, because He took EVERYONE'S SIN IN THE WHOLE WORLD UPON HIMSELF, so He could defeat it. Everytime you sin, you are crucifying Him all over again. That's why He cares, and that's why it's His business, and that's why He's the righteous judge, and will come again to judge EVERYONE ON THE EARTH. You will have to stand in front of Him, who is Holy, and explain everything to Him, then, if your name is not written in The Book of Life, you will be cast into the Lake of Fire with satan, and the false prophet, and the antichrist, and you will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Oh, and it DOES HURT SOMEONE. The ones who are sinning and doing it will not enter the kingdom of heaven. You are following your lustful desires of the flesh, instead of following God. That is your choice. In order to enter the kingdom of heaven, EVERYONE has to be BORN AGAIN. Once you are Born Again, you will have a new heart, and will not have the desires of the flesh any longer. It is a way out of your sin that God has provided for you. If you choose to ignore it, you are making a choice. It is up to you. And if you cause anyone else to sin, (such as a child) by telling them it's ok to sin, then it will be on your head, also. Your choice. I just needed to tell you that so you would know. Now you have no excuse for not knowing. You asked the question.
By the way, God DOES LOVE YOU, and does not want you to perish. That's the way I feel, too. God Bless

Answer 5

God loves his children whether they're gay or straight because he understands us. Homosexuals are encouraged to go to mass if they keep a righteous lifestyle by staying single and by trying to give a good example. The problem comes when they are not that way, but they are still welcome if they realize what they did was wrong and seek forgiveness through confession, just like any other Christian heterosexual.

Answer 6

The difficulty with answering your question is it involves faith issues which aren't accepted by society today. Our society views homosexuality as a fact of life. It is seen as genetic and a factor of how we are created. So the Biblical standpoint seems to be contrary to everything society believes.

I'm sure that you are correct that most gays keep to themselves and don't bother people. I'm also sure that they consider themselves to be very much in love.

For the Christian, we believe that God created the world and all that is in it. But his creation has been corrupted by the fall (Adam and Eve). Even nature is believed to be corrupted by the fall. So the animal behavior you describe may itself be part of the fall.

I should preface what I'm saying by indicating that I am giving an Orthodox Christian perspective. I need to point out that many Christians do not believe that homosexuality is a sin.

Having said that, we believe that when God created man and woman he created us to complement each other. Our bodies reflect that. He made us capable of sharing physical and emotional intimacy with one another. I believe that it was his divine purpose that man and woman enter into a covenental relationship and that sexual intimacy be limited to that covenant.

Thus I believe that God views homosexuality as being opposed to the very nature of his creation - to the very nature of how he designed our bodies and the nature of covenantal relationships. Jesus reaffirmed this understanding of creation when he said that God created us male and female and for this reason a man leaves his family and the two become one.

By the way, I know this is going to get many thumbs down, but I am trying to honestly answer your question. I believe that it deserves that honesty. I can't emphasize enough that not all Christians share this belief.

Nor frankly, do I expect the world to share that belief. I'm not trying to convert the world, that is God's task. I'm simply sharing my best Biblical understanding of why I believe that God stands in opposition to homosexuality.

Christian who disagree believe that the passages mentioned refer to cultic homosexual prostitution. They do not believe the passages refer to the loving nature of todays homosexuals. In the end, each of us can only be faithful to what we believe.

I also must emphasize that God does not hate the homosexual. He does in my opinion hate homosexual sex. While that distinction is not important to the non Christian, it is an important distinction to the Christian.

That is why I find the actions of the Phelps family so despicable. We are not called to hate or to discriminate against the homosexual, but to love them as brothers and sisters in the Lord. We are also called to be faithful to God's truth.

This has gotten too long. I'm sorry.

Pastor John

Answer 7

Many organized religions will point to scriptures in Leviticus as starting points for arguments against any form of homosexuality. I've researched the bible far and through and nowhere does it actually say homosexuality. Further more the 1st couple books of the bible were written as part of the Koran in ancient times and then brought together with other forms (KJV) to form what is the bible today. This book (Koran) was written for two peoples to distinguish themselves from the other. Just as it may say "men who lie with men......" it also states that growing a garden, wearing your hair a certain length, grooming a certain way, are also sins as well. So should we kill our brother for growing tomatoes in his garden? Should we today go out and find the guy who wears his hair beyond his shoulders and stone him? Or do we let god look into his heart? "Judge lest you not be judged yourself" ....because as the bible points out, God is love. And as Jesus died for our sins, John 3:16, do we disregard the fact that when Jesus was here on earth he preached to ALL people? Or do we look to the fact that kings and princes spent soooo much time together and never did anything? Because just as they had many "concubines" so did they have close relationships with their many men on their staff.



I do need to add to each his own....and in no way am I trying to dispute anything. Just giving a point of view. My relationship with god is of respect and of my own conscience.


***You're quite welcome Enigma! It's actually quite simple. God loves us and wants us to be happy. I could take 1 scripture and interpret MANY ways. I used to do that. I would go up on stage and give talks (sermons) and take certain scriptures to use that would benefit the topic I was using for that day. Problem is...it can be taken out of context..nor should what i say be the absolute truth. There's only one truth and unfortunately man cannot speak it. We are mearly messengers. But that message should never be of good nor bad. Only of what is in the bible, and not interpreted. I truly respect anyone who speaks to congregations, or in front of people, about the bible. It's an awesome task that should not be taken lightly. I do however not respect those who claim to be messengers of god, yet are not godly themselves. If we all kept an open mind and read the bible for what it truly is, we allll would get along.

Answer 8

First of all, you're wrong about God not liking gays. Nothing could be further from the truth. What God doesn't like is sin. That's ANY sin.
He loves his creation. He gave us laws and rules to live by for our good for it was he that made us and not we ourselves. When he saw that man could not abide by his laws of sacrifice, he was kind enough to clothe himself in flesh and dwell among us for the soul purpose of sheding his own blood and fulfilling his will of perfect sacrifice for us. All we have to do is believe in him, confess our sins to him and he is both faithful and just to forgive.
Homosexuality is a sin. No greater or lesser than any other sin. It goes against God's design for his creation. Anyone who repents (turns aside from sin) can be forgiven and redeemed by Christ.
Those whom he loves he chastens. You are not a deity, but you have an insult level too. When you feel maligned or abused or disregarded, you withdraw yourself, your favor and even your love; sometimes irrevokably. Yet you are not greater than the God who created you. Ponder that sometimes and don't slander God. He is good and his mercy endures forever.
BTW: The bible is the history of God reaching for man, not the other way around. It is the history of his constant attention. We are his children. Even human parents want to be involved personally with their children.

Answer 9

you should do a little more research. God is against sin, and He defines sin. It is not a love based relationship, watch a few of their public exhibitions. The Bible states that it is an abomination not they. There are rules and laws. We all have our on rules and I am sure you are no different. If I came to your home would it be anything goes? I doubt it. Why are people so surprised that God has His own rules (laws)?

Answer 10

It's been covered here over and over again. God created marriage for one man and one woman. Sex was designed to be within marriage ONLY. ANY sex outside of marriage is a sin.