Will Trinitarians ever realize that it is heretical to worship "3 as 1" and forgive the Jehovah's Witnesses?

Question

Won't the Jehovah's Witnesses eventually realize it is insane to not recognize Christ is Jehovah/YHWH/Yah/Lord God/God Almighty/I AM of the Hebrews?

Doesn't consubstantiality and hypostasis open the door for the false teaching that the Son is his own Father and vice versa? Shouldn't the Trinitarians acknowledge the hierarchy of authority between Father Almighty and Son of God that exists between the Anglican and Roman Catholic bishops, priests, and members?

Answer 1

Interestingly, Mormonism teaches that the pre-human Jesus is the "God" or "Jehovah" of the so-called "Old Testament".

This is obviously a fundamentally different theology than the other great nontrinitarian Christian religion, Jehovah's Witnesses. Jehovah's Witnesses believe the bible to teach that there are several references to Jesus in the so-called "Old Testament" which indicate that he is distinct from the "God" or "Jehovah" of the so-called "Old Testament". It is not enough to simply assert that a doctrine is true, and so Jehovah's Witnesses reason from the Scriptures on the matter...


It seems rather obvious that the apostle Luke at Acts 4:25-27 quotes from Psalms 2:1,2. Although these passages are part of the Christian and Hebrew Scriptures respectively, BOTH passages make it plain that there is an "anointed one" who is distinct from God. The Psalm plains calls that God by the name "Jehovah" (explicitly using the Tetragrammaton) and Acts plainly calls the anointed one by the name "Jesus".

(Psalm 2:1,2) [David wrote] Why have the nations been in tumult and the national groups themselves kept muttering an empty thing? 2 The kings of earth take their stand And high officials themselves have massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one

(Acts 4:24-27) [Peter, John, and fellow Christians] with one accord raised their voices to God and said: “Sovereign Lord, you are the One who made the heaven and the earth and the sea and all the things in them, 25 and who through holy spirit said by the mouth of our forefather David, your servant, ‘Why did nations become tumultuous and peoples meditate upon empty things? 26 The kings of the earth took their stand and the rulers massed together as one against Jehovah and against his anointed one.’ 27 Even so, both Herod and Pontius Pilate with men of nations and with peoples of Israel were in actuality gathered together in this city against your holy servant Jesus


Similarly, the apostle Paul at 1 Cor 2:16 and Rom 11:33,34 paraphrases Isaiah 40:13. Note that Isaiah explicitly uses the name "Jehovah" (the Hebrew Tetragrammaton), and 1 Corinthians plainly CONTRASTS the mind of Jehovah with the mind of Christ Jesus.

(1 Corinthians 2:16) For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ.

(Romans 11:33-34) O the depth of God’s riches and wisdom and knowledge! How unsearchable his judgments are and past tracing out his ways are! 34 For “who has come to know Jehovah’s mind, or who has become his counselor?”

(Isaiah 40:13) Who has taken the proportions of the spirit of Jehovah, and who as his man of counsel can make him know anything?

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Answer 2

Not many will. The Watchtower is wrong and while we can forgive them, we can not forget that. They have some interesting things in a NWT study Bible I have here. It says that 1 Peter 3:15 should have the word "Jehovah" in that verse. Why don't they?

Answer 3

Colossians 1:15 says that Jesus was created. The father has always been here. Then they say but not in heaven.
Revelation 1:1 A revelation by Jeus Christ which God gave him to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place.
Also see Revelation 3:14 Jesus the beginning of the creation by God. It is just so plain I don't see how anyone could get that mixed up.

Answer 4

Look, I am not saying I "get it all" as far as the truth of the Bible, but I do know that it says God, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit exist as one and intervene in our lives and destinies in different ways.
Just stop trying to define God (who is the Heavenly Creator above all and is thus beyond physical comprehension) in earthly, human terms and know He Is and always will be. Read John Chapter 3 to get an understanding of how to receive Grace from God through the blood of Christ.

Answer 5

There is nothing to forgive Jehovah's Witnesses for. We have the truth from the Bible.

Trinitarians have Greek philosophy masquerading as Biblical truth. That is an adulterated mixture of doctrine.

Jehovah's Witnesses follow divine truth, not human tradition.

We seek to please God, not men.

Answer 6

When you allow yourself to form beliefs that have no relationship to the the real world, i.e. the cause and effect world, then anything goes. You can have Gods, they can have parts, they can relate to humans, or not.

Answer 7

Here's a really good link to the Christian stance vs. that of the JW...

http://www.waltermartin.org/jehwit.html

In Christ,

Dennis

Answer 8

It's not heretical to worship "3 at 1". Scripture supports it. It's how God revealed Himself to us.

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Gen. 1:26

Who is the "US" and "OUR" in the verse above?

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14

For in Him(Jesus) dwells all the fullness of the Godhead
bodily. Col. 2:9

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Ex. 3:14

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:58

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence. Col. 1:15-18

Jesus was never created.

In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God.

The Trinity is the doctrine that there is only one God in all existence. This one God exists as three persons: The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. They are not three gods, but one God. Each is a separate person, yet each of them is, in essence, divine in nature.
A close analogy of the Trinity can be found by looking at the concept of time. Time is past, present, and future. There are three "aspects" or "parts" of time. This does not mean that there are three "times," but only one. Each is separate, in a sense, yet each shares the same nature, or essence. In a similar way, the Trinity is three separate persons who share the same nature.

The doctrine of the incarnation in Christian teaching is that Jesus, who is the second person of the Trinity, added to himself human nature and became a man.
The Bible says that Jesus is God in flesh, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.....and the word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:1, 14); and, "For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form" (Col. 2:9). Jesus, therefore, has two natures. He is both God and man.
Jesus is completely human, but He also has a divine nature.

God
He is worshiped (Matt. 2:2,11; 14:33; 28:9)
He is prayed to (Acts 7:59; 1 Cor. 1:2)
He was called God (John 20:28; Heb. 1:8)
He was called Son of God (Mark 1:1)
He is sinless (1 Pet. 2:22; Heb. 4:15)
He knew all things (John 21:17)
He gives eternal life (John 20:28)
The fullness of deity dwells in Him (Col. 2:9)

Man
He worshiped the Father (John 17)
He prayed to the Father (John 17:1)
He was called man (Mark 15:39; John 19:5).
He was called Son of Man (John 19:35-37)
He was tempted (Matt. 4:1)
He grew in wisdom (Luke 2:52)
He died (Rom. 5:8)
He has a body of flesh and bones (Luke 24:39)

Answer 9

up to God to forgive. Good luck with that.
There are three that bear witness in heaven and these three are one. Immanuel/God with Us. If you have seen me you have seen the father. the father and I are one.