This is a person that has a seered conscience and if he keeps living , I am afraid gonna be turned into a reprobate mind, that is a mind that can never be brought back to the Lord, and following that is eternal damnation.
Sad , very sad.......What is even sadder is that you say you like it, showing me that you are just as lost as he is.
2007-08-28 10:33:06
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answered by Anonymous
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"As a [sic] adult it's either a habit or you don't give it much thought."
Disagree. I have given it much thought. I just happen to have come to a different conclusion he has. (And yes, I've read the entire bible, not just the nice bits)
"If I was born elsewhere, or at a different time, I may have been...."
May have been... may have been not. Typical "you only believe what you're taught, while I believe what I believe because I've questioned my beliefs" rhetoric which ignores that there are those who have been "born into" one religion and then converted to another... or that just because someone came to different conclusions after studying the religion one grew up with that one didn't study it.
"If you had a choice, what would you be?
I do have a choice, and I chose Christianity.
"There are around 22 major religions on earth today."
Contradictory beliefs only mean that not all of them can be right, not that all of them are wrong. If so, different beliefs about the existence of God (such as pantheism, deism, polytheism, theism, atheism) would mean that all such beliefs were wrong.
"All claim to know the secrets of the universe."
As does atheism.
"Each one claims they are the one true way. And all the others are wrong"
And atheists don't claim that only atheism is correct and all others are wrong?
"But none of them have proof."
First, neither does atheism. Second, one wouldn't be able to obtain material proof of a supernatural (which by definition is non-material) being, so the lack of proof as an argument is raising the bar too high.
"So there is no basis for an objective decision."
Sure there is, it's called the "preponderance of evidence".
"Whatever choice you make is done on faith alone."
A faith that, in some cases, is based on the aforementioned preponderance.
"If the evidence conflicts...."
I've never seen evidence that disproves Christianity.
"But be careful which religion you choose... God seems unhappy with non-believers."
Thanks, I will. I hope he does the same.
Quote of 2 John 1:17
Yep, he mentioned being careful. Is there a point?
... and Deuteronomy 13:6-10
Of course. the practitioners of these other religions were sweet little lambs with wholesome, clean rituals who simply wanted to live and let live if only those bullying Israelites would just let them.
"Killing for any reason is wrong."
Even self-defense or the defense of others?
"Yes, atheists have morals."
I have yet to see one show how the adherence to morals is logically consistent with atheism if human beings have no inherent value.
"The Bible is internally inconsistent. The Bible contradicts known facts."
Don't hold your breath waiting for him to give proof of these statements...
"To me, science explains...."
Your subjective opinion is duly noted, but weren't you just mentioning something about "known facts" just a second or two ago?
"Sure, the church has done many good things over the years. But this ignores the many bad things the church has done...."
Better give up atheism too, then, because atheists have done some bad things too.
"Besides people of all religions and cultures do good things. There is nothing special about your religion that makes your good things better than theirs."
In that case, since both both America and Nazi Germany both did "good things", that should mean that there should be nothing special about America that made their good things better than Nazi Germany's.
"I do not need a petty...."
Neither do I, which is why I'm glad that my God is none of these.
Quote of Genesis 7:4
And just how does the author of this diatribe know with certainty that there was a better option available to God?
... John 3:18
Could it be that they're condemned because, as per verse 19, their works are evil?
"And no, sending down...."
Again, assumes that one knows there was a better option.
"...God could have forgiven us without the need for anyone to die."
Ignores "the wages of sin is death". Furthermore, God didn't reject us, the problem is that we have rejected God. Unless and until we want to come back to Him, we're what is keeping us from His love.
"or risk eternal suffering in hell."
This is not a case of God arbitrarily wanting people to suffer, but the logical consequence of rejecting His love. If a child who is old enough to know better than to play in the street does so anyway despite numerous warnings from his or her parents not to do so and gets hit, does one blame the parent or claim that the parent secretly wanted the child to suffer?
"What's so special about belief...?"
Nothing is special about the belief itself, but rather that it accompanies the acceptance of God's salvific plan.
"Besides, they keep changing the rules."
Question begging; assumes that morality is made by man and changeable by man.
"Most churches would not support beating your children...."
Assumes that Exodus 21:15 refers to young children.
Quote of Psalm 137:9
First, this is a response to Babylonian captors who had more than likely done the same to Israelite children and now were taunting the Israelites to sing a song in joy of Zion. Second, it is not the Israelites that would carry out this task against the Babylonians, but another country. Third, the killing of infants was common practice in those times (e.g., "My heroes slain, my bridal bed o'erturned,
My daughters ravish'd, and my city burn'd,
My bleeding infants dash'd against the floor;
These have I yet to see, perhaps yet more."
Homer's Iliad, Pope's Translation, Book 22: 89-91, mentioned in Spurgeon's "Treasury of David"), thus the anonymous author of this psalm only relating something that would have occurred anyway if he had simply expressed a wish that Babylon was conquered.
"Judas... was only following God's plan."
But that was hardly his intent.
"We are lead to believe that God changed his mind when he sent down Jesus."
By who or what?
"Jesus says he was not there to change the law, but to add to it."
Um, no, he said "fulfill", not "add to".
"Or the stories in the bible are symbolic, allegory, or parables."
What does this have to do with the price of wheat in Nebraska? And why can't some stories be symbolic, some allegories, some parables, and some historic?
"our morals... do not come from the scribbling...."
Slanted language ("scribbling"), argument from novelty (doesn't matter when the writings were written, but whether they are authoritative).
"I reject them all for the same reasons. There is no proof."
And then why does he accept atheism?
"You do not know how we got here. You do not know why we're here."
But he does?
"You have the stories of superstitious old men."
More appeal to novelty, slanted language.
Too bad the argument wasn't as good as the music.
2007-08-28 14:40:45
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answer #3
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answered by Deof Movestofca 7
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