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I am not giving country names, group names or YA nicks.

Don't you feel this is a lynching campaign against Turks? And the distinguishing character of any lynching is the crowd's inability to listen to facts and their acting with vulgar sentiment?

How can the "civilized" West accept a lynching campaign? After 600 years, do they still a scape goat to unite them? Do they need a scape goat to help them forget their own crimes against humanity?

What IS the psychological and sociological reason behind this comedy?

2007-08-28 02:14:51 · 11 answers · asked by Totally Blunt 7 in Travel Europe (Continental) Turkey

11 answers

The sociologic reason is that they can not feel at ease to accept a county with a majority of Muslims in to their "Christian Club".

Some of the Europian countries still can not overcome the idea of being under Ottoman rule for centures and they want to forget it and take revenge of their days under submission. However, it is called "history" and no matter what we or they do, it is unchangable.

What is getting into my nerves is that I would really like the innocent one to "throw the first rock" but it seems to me that they are fine with their sins and want us to be on their side with guilt.

Sorry but this will not happen.

I remember one of Zülfü Livaneli's articles where he quoted a memory of his; During his days in Belgium, people who are againts him started a rumor, saying that he burned a Turkish flag, once . He quoted " How do I proove that I didn't burn a Turkish flag? "

My point is the blamer always gets the upper hand because the people who hears it first, tend to believe that side of the story. It is then the innocents' duty to proove that he is innocent which sometimes is quite impossible since the people already gets in the state of mind that there wouldnt be a smoke if there was never a fire.

I believe that is the exact situation we are facing now. We got blamed and now we are trying to clean up our already clean name..I have to admit that it is a very sneaky and low life aproach but yet an affective one to impress the ignorant -whose numbers are countless..

Let me use this apportunity to say a few more words to some of the Armenian users :

Asking questions to us and having most of us blocked at the same time so that you can only get your side of the story being pampered is so pathetic..

I know how to make an other account in 2 minutes and answer your sneaky questions but prefer not to. Keep that in mind.

2007-08-28 02:40:33 · answer #1 · answered by Ipek K 7 · 10 5

Well said Dellarovere and Ä°pek. I would like to add something about the Ottomans. It is my humble opinion of course.
First of all I do not believe the Ottomans were representing Turks, since they became so mixed up ethnically. Secondly, although accepting some violent behavior by the Ottoman Army a few hundred years ago, wouldn't you all agree that there was some kind of justice, tolerance, and respect towards other cultures under the Ottoman rule? If the Ottomans were genuine imperialists and apt to commit assimilation/genocide etc., wouldn't have they imposed the Turkish language and Islam to all their subjects? How come all those nations that lived under Ottoman rule for centuries preserved their language, religion and culture?
It is true they 'killed' in battles, but they respected and protected otherwise.

2007-08-28 14:34:22 · answer #2 · answered by anlarm 5 · 8 2

As history repeats itself, Turks are trying to join the club for centuries and yet have nothing.

On the other hand,some countries always need some reasons to push Turks away. Like the "so called Armenian genocide" or " Kurd" issues which are very likely to be triggered by these pushers whom need some puppets to apply their plans.

These are not one day's troubles. Today's older Armenians were thought Turks are evil,murderers and that they will take their lands (which are Turkish lands for a thousand years) back one day.And they believe a genocide against Armenians really happened because their teachers were big fat liars trying to create this future.

And those, "pushers" never miss a chance when it comes to push Turks away.

2007-08-28 17:08:22 · answer #3 · answered by Leprechaun 6 · 6 2

To be honest I was quite surprised at the ferocity of the propaganda that is spread onto the Turkey travel section, so much that at times it overwhelms me enough to chip in my five cents.

In response to your question, they need scapegoats because that is how their modus operandi works. Some people fight directly while others prefer the sneak attack using whatever means necessary in order to achieve their goals. They probably have a whale of an answer in response and in defense to the massacres they perpetrated in Nagorno Karabagh and the funny thing is that they also want the Turks to open borders for them to prosper. They want to have the cake and eat it too.

The psychological and sociological reasons? None of the above. It's already in their physiological make up. It is an inherent part of them.

2007-08-28 14:21:13 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 4 3

Lynching is killing, and killing is unreasonable and does not solve any problems...it only makes them worse. I-run, I really cannot explain why a psycho would resort to such extremes, but I can understand that it's an immature solution.

2007-08-28 10:33:07 · answer #5 · answered by Qu'est ce que tu penses? 6 · 1 1

I agree with Ipek and Angelo (Dellarovere)...

I live in France (Paris), and you just can't imagine how much damage has done this dirty propaganda...
Those hatefull people here have done big pressure to politicians here, that's why the french state is doing so strategical mistakes...

The Armenian communauty in France is 400 000 people.
The Turkish communauty in France is also 400 000 people.
But the difference is that only 15 % of those Turks can vote ( because many of them didn't apply to get the french citizenship)... While 100% of the Armenians can vote ( they all are French citizens now)

We must wake up...

2007-08-28 13:21:56 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 10 4

What i see is ducks following other ducks not even knowing why and what they are following.
Politicians express themselves usually by media and people who are getting their culture and education only by watching TV will believe what is being told to them.
Some very few of the population will read, travel,think and will not follow the ducks.
Frost one said:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I-

I took the one less traveled by,

And that has made all the difference.

EDUCATION is the key.(Unfortunately a key very hard to find these days in most of the countries)

2007-08-28 13:19:49 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 8 3

I believe you do not include Greeks in what you define as lynching campaign, as a few fanatic voices can be traced in the turkish side too.
But I agree with you with reference to North Americans, British, French, Germans and others, of undefined identity, behind the "innocent" speech of which there hides prejudice and disrespect.
I think you are very familiar with the Germans' attitude towards Turkish (and often Greek) immigrants, even nowdays, and the French nationalism epressed by Sarkosy.
And I agree with Ipek in respect with the Christian club, finding its peak with the Spanish haterade as to anything connected with Muslims.
As for their crimes against humanity, no need to make any further reference than the slaughter of American natives by the Spanish Conquistadores, the haulocast by the Germans, and the USA policy all over the whole world..

2007-08-28 11:27:10 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 12 6

Any lynching capaign is something to be regretted...

2007-08-29 11:18:09 · answer #9 · answered by chrisvoulg1 5 · 4 1

what goes around comes around.

it has always been like that. didn't you know.

you get back exactly what ever you have given.

2007-08-30 18:10:34 · answer #10 · answered by not fair 6 · 1 3

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