Are you seriously suggesting not providing children with a basic education?

Question

I understand that there is an issue with the sheer number of undocumented that are here. I Have read on several posts that people don't want to provide basic education (K-12) to children whose parents are not citizens, or, if they are not citizens. This amazes me, as, I tend to think that if we had the children of 12-20 million people not doing anything positive with their days, isn't that a HUGE recipe for disaster? Desperate people do desperate things. Don't you think that gangs would majorly increase? And crimes? I tend to think that people have dreams for their children for tomorrow, and, kids have dreams for themselves. If you were to take that from both the parents and the children, wouldn't you be afraid to go to working- knowing these kids would be just "roaming" while mom and dad work?

Aren't educated people that can work and contribute to our society what we want?

Matthew- calm down. I am posing a serious question. I do give them my money. Do you not think that it would cause an increase in crime if there were that many uneducated, impoverished people roaming the streets? And, If you give a mouse a cookie is THE BEST preschooler book ever.

US justice- I am not disagreeing with you on whatever laws may come. Whatever law comes regarding deportation or whatever needs to be enforced, I am only questioning in our current situation... And, no, Not hispanic- great grandpa came from Wales. Other side from England. My husband is atleast 4 generations from England. Our babies are blonde curly hair with blue eyes. We could not be whiter. I think it is obnoxious to assume that I would derive my beliefs for personal gain only. I think with my head, and, feel with my heart, and, I understand that the world is not JUST ABOUT ME.

Screaming- I understand your position.

Tyler- I would love to be able to "pick and choose" where my taxes go. The neverending war would not be paid for by me. And, if I could "opt" out of paying for road repair, that would be great, too.

Winter- I am not offended at all. I embrace differences of opinion. My solution? I am not sure. I think that at this point it is ridiculous to try and exclude children from school. Once some thing is decided regarding the undocumented, those that are deported obviously won't be here, so that will deal with that. But, I think that any child here needs to be educated while they are here.

Kriss- My daughters are bilingual and translate for the non- English speakers. Admittedly, there aren't' very many. Drivers licenses were issued in Wisconsin until April without proof of legal status. Once you have a license, transferring it to another state is fairly simple. So, there are undocumented that have perfectly legal drivers licenses, and, with that can obtain insurance.

Answer 1

If we deny alien children the right to attend school, then the children of Americans living abroad could also be denied that right. The UN convention on the Rights of the Child, and Migrant Workers Rights and our bi-lateral international treaties provide that (although we may tax or charge a fee) we cannot deny that right. The Supreme Court has held as much and our tax law and treaties provide that persons physically present in the US for 183 days are US residents regardless of their immigration status.

Whether the children's parents are legal or illegal is irrelevant because the children had no choice in coming here and cannot leave on their own. Their presence is not voluntary and their rights under US and international law are not affected by their parents status.

On the other hand, I have processed out-of-status and undocumented foreign wives and children of drug-dealers for "voluntary removal," because their husbands were going to prison and they were "likely to become a public charge."

We need comprehensive immigration reform, and the federal government should address the issue of compensating local school districts, or giving them some say in the process.

Answer 2

FINALLY !!! someone with a crazier list than my daughters 96 pencils for 3rd grade only American yellow #2 pencils. Oh, and 3 / 500 sheet packs of colored copy paper (not bold). The 7 composition books, and the 7 packs of 250 count writing paper. and we beat you on the glue sticks, the teacher requested 30 sticks. I truly believe these are a snack food. My son needed 15 for Kindergarten. I DO NOT CARE IF I CAN GET WAL MART SPECIALS, EITHER THE TEACHERS NEED TO WALK OUT AND DEMAND SCHOOLS PROVIDE FOR THEIR CLASS BECAUSE PARENTS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS. And oh the poor .......... they got free backpacks in town. But by the 1st day of school, many of them have lost or destroyed what was given to them. We partnered with three other churches and adopted a grade and bought supplies directly for the classroom. Their grade list is very reasonable, just a couple things from the parents. And the teachers sent home a list of stuff they should have at home (hopefully the parents would buy this).

Answer 3

I have mixed feeling about educating the illegal children of the illegals. It's true e that we can not afford to not educate them, being that they are here and unless we enforce our laws they will be here for the foreseeable future. Then again how much can we as tax payer have to pay to educate those that have no business being here, and the more we pay the more will come, and deny our own children in the progress. This also gives the parents of the children who are illegal, another signal that we know we are being taken for a ride, but have no way to separate educating their children from, letting them know that they are breaking our immigration laws, and need to go home.

Answer 4

You asked a question that is a sore spot with most Americans. You have to expect tempers to rise.

What are YOUR solutions?? You ask a volatile question, support the OTHER side (meaning, NOT America or Americans), offer no solutions, and then get offended when people get upset.

Most Americans, rightly so, I might add, are thoroughly disgusted with the fact that we have tens of millions of illegal aliens in our country, with the numbers increasing all the time. It seems our government has been sitting on its butt with its thumbs where the sun "don't" shine for years now and we are FED UP!!!

We have many major issues, as does any large country, and other countries are pawning their problems (millions of them)off on us.

Most Americans want our borders secured, our laws enforced, and illegal aliens deported.

EDIT:

IF YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE SOLUTION, YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

You try to act (on this site) vas if you don't want to offend anyone, but you mostly take up for a country other than America and citizens other than American citizens. Think about it. Honestly. I have NEVER ever heard you taking up for America or its citizens. EVER.

By you supporting and/or defending illegal alien criminals, you are HURTING our (YOUR) country. By supporting and/or defending these people, how much damage do you think you are ultimately doing to our country? Our heritage to our children? OUR FUTURE??

Answer 5

the laws do need to be over-looked when it comes to this kind of thing. unfortunantly being the country that everyone wants to make a life in is becoming a burden on areas with immigrants. i agree that as children they should have the right to an education just as anyone else, but their families need to abide by certain rules and so forth. i don't know whats going on in our society these days with these kinds of things - but the reason why they are coming to america is because they are not getting even half to the same opportunities in their own country - and it's a sad thing to know! if america can't help children then what kind of country are we? i know we have so much going on trying to deal with our domestic education and the wars etc. If America could help or give guidance to those countries who need the better education - so that they can stay in their homelands...i think that would help a lot. Too bad a lot of their leaders don't agree..

Answer 6

Speaking as a non-American with plenty of American friends, it seems to me that the US has some horrendous social problems which could easily be solved with what, for the world's richest country, is a small amount of money. Some poor countries have better health services. Early intervention by social workers, decent housing, more police and better public education would reduce violent crime to something like European levels. Hurricane Katrina hit Cuba as well as Louisiana but it didn't kill anybody there because the government had an evacuation plan ready. Dogmatic dog-eat-dog capitalist doctrines cause immense misery in America. Even the very wealthy would be much better-off if they were heavily taxed to fund the public sector.

Answer 7

Amanda, I am assuming that you mean illegal children ? Then yes ma'am, I do seriously suggest that. I also suggest employers be held so severely accountable for employing illegals that they will not be here working at all while their children roam our streets...they will either be deported, legalized in some form...in a probational type of working visa (and then of course their children should be schooled here). I think that they deserve a basic education in their own country, yes. If they are legal well, in this one too. Illegals...no. Our education systems are taking a brutal beating and I am sick and tired of seeing deteriorating budgets, book shortages, overcrowded classes, increases in school violence and all the while, my taxes go up and up and up. Nobody ever suggested they should roam our streets either...you know?

Answer 8

I think the anti-humane people (what I think we should call the anti-immigration folks at this point) should realize the Supreme Court has spoken on this subject and ruled that services are Constitutionally required for children of immigrants regardless of their legal status.

Furthermore, beyond our Constitution, it appears the US is a signatory of several international agreements that require our government to provide services to the children of "aliens" residing in our nation like others have to do for our children.

Answer 9

it is obvious that you don't have an over population of mexicans in your city. say in your daughters grade there were say 15 children of illegal mexicans in her class that do not speak English. do you want your school tax dollars spent educating these children. now don['t forget you will have to bring in special teachers to translate for them and or to teach them in spanish.

your child will not receive the attention from the teacher that she normally would reducing her over all education because of the children of illegal aliens in your daughters class room.

now, this may be fine with you personally but the average American citizen is sick and tired of the illegals demanding education, health care etc. out of our tax dollars.

before i end i would also like to mention while these illegals are working they are using the social security cards of citizens!!!!!!!!!!!!!! are you willing to put up your social security number so that they can work, use your credit and not pay taxes come the end of the year??? then when they RUIN your credit it will be your responsibility to FIX YOUR CREDIT THAT YOU DID NOT RUIN...... would you be so willing to have them here if that shoe was on your foot?????

they are driving illegally, no drivers license, no insurance.... they hit your car, guess what, you are responsible etc. etc. etc!!!

Answer 10

Personally I have given up on criminals. I swore an oath to uphold the law but our hired help(elected politicians) are not doing their jobs and upholding the laws on the book. Then someone says that my tax money should go to educate the children of people who spit on my service to our country by the very fact they are here illegally. Do you have any idea just how angry this makes me? When I went to school it was a privilege not a right. Misbehavior, inattention, and failure to do your work could get a student thrown out on his ear. I had two major heart attacks last year and my heart now functions at only 36% an social security says that is not disabled enough for disability. I can not work and can not get the security my government promised me even though I paid 100% of what was required for 21 of 34 years. Why, because the are giving it as Social Security Suplimental Income to the wives and children of illegal aleins who are in jail for 20 years to life. (think I am lieing? My wife works at the Lea County Correctional Facility where 80% of the inmate population is hispanic and of that population half are illegal aleins. My wife as a case worker just verified the sentence of one illegal so his wife and kids could continue to recieve SSI.) Tell me again why we should educate the illigemate children of illegals.