Before God started creation, the universe contained no suffering?

Question

Here's my concern: Now there is a Hell, and it will eventually be crammed with billions of souls writhing and screaming in agony thoughout eternity --

And it's all because he decided to create stuff in the first place?

He cannot abolish Hell, because he's already told all sinners and unbelievers that they will burn and rot forever...?

So, God is basically stuck with a place full of souls in misery and torment, moaning angrily, knashing their teeth?

Whereas -- before he started creation, the universe contained no suffering?

Question for church folks: Does God ever get depressed about this situation, and wish he could undo it?

Also, replies from Bible scholars appreciated.

Answer 1

u know that hell is going to be full of christians right?

thats why its going to be hell. they are going to be down there witnessing to us for eternity...

what could be worse?

Answer 2

That's a half empty, pessimistic way of looking at it. You also could look at it from a more optimistic point of view. God created mankind for relationship. Between other men and also God. We are made in the image of God so we have a tiny perspective of what God is like. Relationship only comes when we choose to love the person you desire to have it with. I personally don't see how true relationship can be attained any other way. Relationship is a two way street - not one way. Suffering is a consequence to a wrong choice. It was never meant to be that way. But, when we are created in Gods image, we have the ability to make wrong or right choices. Which, by the way, have consequences. Good and bad.

Now if you know your fate for an action you are doing, who is to blame? If you know you are going to jail for robbing a bank, don't blame law enforcement for jailing you. Whether you believe in Hell fire or not, we know that there is a place of eternity away from God. The spirit does not go away. We also know what John said about the final judgment, in the Lake of Fire. That's as clear a as it gets. Forever and ever. How long does that sound. Forever.

Why did God choose do it this way? Who knows. We can make a lot of guesses such as God had so much love he needed to pour it out. That's one I've heard. We do not know anything beyond what is written in scripture. Our world-view is limited to what we see and what we've been told. But when it all boils down, who knows for sure why God set it up this way. One day, that will be answered.

There are only choices between two world-views right now. God or evolution. Those seem to be the most supported at the moment. Evolution is woefully inadequate in explaining what we see with our eyes. I kind of like the evidence on the other side though. It's been around far longer and has stood against all of man's scrutiny. Truth will always triump over a lie.

Answer 3

God does not force anyone to do evil or good. It takes a great deal of courage to do the right thing sometimes. People create their own suffering by being hateful bitter and cruel. If you had no choice then you would be a puppet. Some choose hell both in this life and eternally. Make your bed and sleep in it but don't blame God for your own stupidity. Forgiveness is offered but God doesn't make you Do anything.

Answer 4

Wait, good point! So god now is omnipresent but will limit his power by not being present in hell, and conveniently forgetting about the eternal suffering of the majority of his loved world? Not a parenting example that I would even consider following.

Answer 5

Myra do you nonetheless think of you does no longer become bored in case you have been god and observing others react with their lives understanding finished properly you already understand the end results of each and each man or woman in the international and knew trillions of years formerly you made advent? you do no longer think of you will get somewhat bored then? to answer this question i think of there ought to probable be a god yet this god does no longer be something like the god the bible describes. so if he did make the massive bang ensue he in all probability does not care approximately one in each of those insignificant dweebs as webeesss lol

Answer 6

lets all study engineering and build tons of air conditioner there. we already have 24 hours heat source so the rest should be simple ?

i mean seirously dude , by creating adam and eve , he know that billions of human are gonna burn eternally yet he continue to do so .

sure there are like christians partying and enjoying and loving their god in the heaven , and whoah at the expense of billions of souls =) yep thats how much they love us.

Answer 7

Your question is: can God change her mind?

No, because, in theory, she exists outside of time, and by definition every act of god is an eternal constant.

Maybe, to be fair, and to provide some amusement for the angels, she sells theme park tickets and they can go enjoy all the suffering down there.

Personally, I find this kind of religion fairly disgusting.

Answer 8

I just love it when people twist the truth around. Hell is a place you are separated from God eternally. God gave us his son, jesus Christ, to pay for all sin and that we have God's grace to go to heaven and be with him. God made no mistakes; however, we do as humans especially when we turn truth into something false.

Answer 9

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Answer 10

Do Buddhists believe in a creator god?

No, we do not. There are several reasons for this. The Buddha, like modern scientists, sociologists and psychologists, believed that religious ideas and especially the god idea have their origins in fear. The Buddha says:

"Gripped by fear men go to sacred mountains, sacred groves, sacred trees and shrines." *Dhammpada 188

Primitive man found himself in a dangerous and hostile world, the fear of wild animals, of not being able to find enough food, of injury or disease, and of natural phenomena like thunder, lightning and volcanoes was constantly with him. Finding no security, he created the idea of god in order to give him comfort in good times, courage in times of danger and consolation when things went wrong. To this day, you will notice that people become more religious at times of crises, you will hear them say that the belief in a god gives them the strength they need to deal with life. You will hear them explain that they believe in god because they prayed in time of need and their prayer was answered. All this seems to support the Buddha’s teaching that the god-idea is a response to fear and frustration. The Buddha taught us to try to understand our fears, to lessen our desires and to calmly and courageously accept the things we cannot change. He replaced fear, not with irrational belief but with rational understanding.

The second reason the Buddha did not believe in a creator god is because there does not seem to be any evidence to support this idea. There are numerous religions, all claiming that they alone have god’s words preserved in their holy book, that they alone understand god’s nature, that their god exists and that the gods of other religions do not. Some claim that god is masculine, some that she is feminine and others that it is neuter. They are all satisfied that there is ample evidence to prove the existence of their god but they laugh in disbelief at the evidence other religions use to prove the existence of another god. It is not surprising that with so many different religions spending so many centuries trying to prove the existence of their gods that still no real, concrete, substantial or irrefutable evidence has been found. Buddhists suspend judgement until such evidence is forthcoming.

The third reason the Buddha did not believe in a creator god is that the belief is not necessary. Some claim that the belief in a god is necessary in order to explain the origin of the universe. But this is not so. Science has very convincingly explained how the universe came into being without having to introduce the god-idea. Some claim that belief in god is necessary to have a happy, meaningful life. Again we can see that this is not so. There are millions of Atheists, free-thinkers and Buddhists, who live useful, happy and meaningful lives without belief in a creator god. Some claim that belief in god’s power is necessary because humans, being weak, do not have the strength to help themselves. Once again, the evidence indicates the opposite. One often hears of people who have overcome great disabilities and handicaps, enormous odds and difficulties through their own inner resources, through their own efforts and without belief in a god. Some claim that god is necessary in order to give man salvation. But this argument only holds good if you accept the theological concept of salvation and Buddhists do not accept such a concept. Based on his own experience, the Buddha saw that each human being had the capacity to purify the mind, develop infinite love and compassion and perfect understanding. He shifted attention from the heavens to the heart and encouraged us to find solutions to our problems through self-understanding.

But if there is no creator god how did the universe get here?

All religions have myths and stories which attempt to answer this question. In ancient times, when man simply did not know, such myths were adequate, but in the 20th century, in the age of physics, astronomy and geology, such myths have been superseded by scientific fact. Science has explained the origin of the universe without recourse to the god-idea.

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Answer 11

Yes, there was no suffering before god stated creating stuff.

Now there is a whole lot of suffering, but that is all part of the plan.