What's wrong with the premise in the question, "How could a perfect creator create an imperfect creation?"

Question

God created man perfect with the free will to choose to be imperfect. Adam brought corruption into mankind and we chose to sin in our corrupt nature. God took the responsibility of our sin when He died on the cross and rose from the dead.

I've been recently seeing this question from angry immature atheists. I hope they receive comfort and give up their hatred of the creator.

most atheists freely admit they're angry. all you have to do is look at their questions and answers as they respond to Christians.

I say immature because they wear logic on their sleeve yet constantly make mistakes with logical fallacies.

Response to Icy Gazpacho:

"Hate is a very powerful word, yet you use it so loosely."

I don't think so. Sometimes you have to be bold and tell it like it is. Of course there is a need to balance truth with grace, which I may have been off on.

"Also, are you sure only atheists are asking that question?"

Yes, I was asked twice today by direct emails from people claiming to be atheists.

"Seems to me, that certain sextions of society have been alienated by some Christian perspectives, yet other Christians are more accomodating."

Absolutely, while the Word of God doesn't alienate, the believers often go outside the Word and try to do stuff on their own resulting in terrible mistakes.

"Perhaps you should be asking why a grey line must be either black or white."

That's the kind of question I was talking about, fallacy of presumption.

"For example, the opposite of Love may well be Hate, but there are shades if indifference in between."

Agnostics are indifferent. Atheists are hateful.

Answer 1

When God created everything that He created He saw/said that it was "good." He never used the word perfect. I just try to watch the exact wording I use when I speak about certain things because some things are important to use correct wording with. God is the only one who is perfect. We were made in His image and likeness...but we weren't made to BE him.....we're modeled after Him. We weren't made perfect. Although everything that was created was "good." Just like when He made the earth and everything in it...he said It was good. But actually He never used the word perfect. Yes Adam and Eve did sin, thus corrupting mankind...but the reason they were susceptible to it in the first place was because they weren't perfect. God made the Angels beautiful, and good. And they have more power than us, and are still subject to free will. The devil was an angel himself. But he sinned against God and in the rebellion brought 1/3 of the angels in heaven down with him. I'm just saying in the beginning things were good. Not perfect. If they were perfect, things would have never fallen the way they did.

This is not to say that we can't somehow reach perfection in Christ. Love will mature us all in him in our personal walks with Him. Of course he is the only one to judge and say whether or not we're perfect anyway. But I can tell you, we're not born that way. He's raising us, as he does his children.

Answer 2

Hate is a very powerful word, yet you use it so loosely. Also, are you sure only atheists are asking that question? Seems to me, that certain sextions of society have been alienated by some Christian perspectives, yet other Christians are more accomodating. Perhaps you should be asking why a grey line must be either black or white. For example, the opposite of Love may well be Hate, but there are shades if indifference in between.

Take good care, friend.

Answer 3

If "God created man perfect" then how can you go on to say "we chose to sin in our corrupt nature". If it is our nature to be corrupt and that is why we chose to sin, then God obviously did not "create man perfect". Besides, if we were originally made perfect then we would never have chosen sin in the first place. The word perfect is usually defined as "being without defect" and someone who is TRULY without any defects would not have the ability to do wrong nor would they even have the capacity to contemplate such a possibility.

By the way, Eve did not commit the first sin. God was the first sinner, since he lied to Adam when He said that eating the fruit from The Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil would kill him that very day. All the serpent did was tell Eve that God had not told the truth.

It sounds to me like the reason God created imperfect beings is because He is also imperfect. If you don't believe that the Bible says that God lied, then read Genesis 2:16,17 and Genesis 3:1-11.

Answer 4

There's nothing wrong with the question. A perfect creator would have created a free will perfect enough to discriminate between what is evil and what isn't, so that it would be able to make the proper ethical decisions - and act upon them.

There are no gods. Or if there are, none of them deserve that name. They are fictional characters born from the fears and ignorance of bronze age men.
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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

Epicurus (340 - 270 BCE)

> What's wrong with the premise in the question, "How could a perfect creator create an imperfect creation?"

EDIT
Most Atheists aren't hateful: they are simlpy very upfront about your lack of respect toward intellectual integrity and honesty. As for the agnostics, they aer simply atheists who refuse the atheistic label, because they are afraid to appear to be "extremists". Technically, they think it is impossible to know about the existence of gods, which means that practically, they have no beliefs in gods. There is no middle-of-the-road between theism and atheism.

Answer 5

Your details do not follow your question.
I suggest you ask yourself why God wants free will.
Honestly why would it matter to him? It shouldn't.
How was it necessary to have a flawed Angel to tempt a flawed Eve into eating of the tree of knowledge?
If God wanted free will why not just make it a design feature?
If Eve eating the apple was Gods plan to grant free will then why is it such a sin that she did it?
If God planned all of it then why did he get so upset about it?

As a bronze age creation myth Genesis is not totally bad. It has an awful lot of flaws and would not be accepted by any publisher after the 1600s simply because it falls apart so bad in the plot development. As an explanation of anything to actually do with reality it totally sucks though.

Here is your story as you christians present it.
God set Adam and Eve up to sin,because they did not have free will and could not sin until they had free will, and he wanted them to have free will but was unable to build it into them even though he can do absolutely anything.
Then when he succeedes in getting them to eat an apple he condemnes mankind to eternal suffering unless they kill God himself who made himself into a man so he could be killed by nailing him to a couple of sticks even though he is immortal and can not be actually killed but unless you thank him for killing himself for you then you are going to burn in hell and please remember to pay at least 10% of everything you earn to the preacher who told you all of this.

Answer 6

Angry immature atheists? That's nice. Someone doesn't by the idea of a biblical creator and you insult them.

Listen to the bible sometime and think about how wacky it sounds. And realize that man invented god to help understand where we came from. They didn't know about evolution in biblical times. There is a lot of evidence the bible is compiled from older stories from regional cultures. The stories are similar but not the same. I'm really shocked that so many people by the literal biblical creation story.

I can see believing that there is something else but not that.

Answer 7

well if you know why we were created, then it all plays out.
we were given free will from the start. from there, things fell into place but also corruption set in.
if you are a firm believer then you will know or understand that things are planned out, that sounds contridictory to free will, we have choices, whic is the planned part. so all in all, God did not infact creat an imperfect world, man did.
he created a perfect world and a perfect man, from there, we took the wheel and ruined it from the start.
technically God didnt die on the cross, Jesus did, though they are all the same, Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit which all complete the Holy Trinity.
and there also is no such thing as a full athiest, the proper term to be used is agnostic but people fail to realize this and continue to use the improper term of athiest.

Answer 8

Interesting premise, indeed.

The Bible never says that the human race was created perfect, nor does it say that God is perfect. According to Genesis 6, God destroyed the humans by way of a flood in the time of Noah, because humanity had been contaminated by renegade angels. It sounds to me like this is a story about God realizing that creation is, indeed, imperfect and trying to fix the mistakes that have been made.

Answer 9

i think the atheist comment is a good point. i use to think they were bad people but my bf is one and he isn't a bad person he just doesn't believe.
i think the reason why a perfect creator created a unperfect creaters is because he wants us to grow and learn from our mistakes....it's hard to explain.
there is a line in a song i know that says" i think sometimes people can be perfect when they do not think about it at all"
i don't think we can be perfect but i think what they mean is we know what is the right thing to do when we just don't have time to really think about it. inside we are good and not perfect but do things for one another that in a way are perfect.

Answer 10

Don't slander us by calling immature and hateful because we reject your beliefs. That's not very mature.

I understand the Christian argument because I was one. If your God is the one true Creator, then surely in the last 20 centuries he has produced many times the miracles as Jesus did during his lifetime on Earth.

You are a disciple of Jesus. Do you pick up poisonous snakes, drink poison and survive? Do you heal by touching others? And do you do "even more wondrous things" than Jesus did when he lived?

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