Where do you find the Trinity in the bible?

Question

I do actually know the answer to this, but I wanted to see if anyone could come up with a convincing argument using someting other than Matthew 28:19. Especially since it uses the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirt in the singular form.

Therefore Matthew 28: 19, as far as I'm concerned, proves nothing.

Answer 1

I'm going to try to answer each of the previous posts in order:

Somewhat Enlightened: Nowhere referring to the rapture will you find the word "Trinity".

Marie: The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible. Do a search. The Gospel of Mark talks about the Spirit descending "like a dove", more on this further down.

DBznut: Perfect...and in Matthew 28:19 the word "name" is singular....implying one being...separate manifestations...called "theophanies". What is that name? more on this later.

Words for the birds: See above.

Ned: See up above twice.

Elmo: Absolutely right...Neither is the concept...I'll prove it later.

Jesus M: I'm confused by your post, but the Bible teaches they are all one being manifest different ways.

Hey, Ray: Nice nick, I like it. I think you're Oneness, but I'm not sure...you really made some good points for it...

Excalibur: First of all, the trinity was not encapsulated in ANY teachings of ANY of Jesus' disciples. It is a concept come up with in the 3rd century....fully 300 years after God died on the cross. It isn't in the Bible, anywhere. It was come up with by man. Paul (a disciple, unlike the founder of the Catholic church) taught: 1 Cor 15:47 "The first man [is] of the earth, earthy: the second man [is] the Lord from heaven." THE not A. Everywhere in scripture that man tried to define God they were wrong. What made them infallible after His death? Nothing...They are still men...Jesus taught us who He is. And Catholic Dogma is written by men trying to fit God into their own box...He's far bigger than that. The "person's" as you refer to them are "theophanies" as was the burning bush (Exodus 3), the man on the road the disciples didn't recognize (Luke 24), the "men" that appeared to Abraham (Genesis 18, Oh, and no serious scholar accepts that the 3 men were the father son holy ghost, as the holy ghost wouldnt have been a man, he'd've been a dove since you want God in your box), and finally, you're right for once. The trinity IS defined as three gods in one, but the concept is not supported when you study the INSPIRED scripture instead of 3rd century, man made fire starter.

Htw_guy: Hello there:). The Quran is the Religious text of the Ismaelites. To be clear, it is not inspired by God. However, having said that, the Ishmaelites ARE the children of Abraham. He is called the Father of the faithful (Gal 3:16). They teach and believe ONE God, and are willing to die for it. Just as the disciples were. God promised to make the Ishmaelites a "Great nation" (Gen 17:20; check out: http://www.biblestudy.org/question/ishmael.html), but not His chosen people.

LineDancer: Fantastic work, just elaborating.
-#1: Where in the Bible? (read Col 2:9; also http://www.angelfire.com/space/thegospeltruth/trinity/verses/Col2_9.html {awesome explanations}).
-#2: Where in the Bible?
-#3: Where in the Bible? (read Isaiah 9:6, the child is called "THE Mighty God", not A Mighty God)
-#4: Where in the Bible? (read Jude 25)
-#5: Where in the Bible is the Holy Ghost referred to as "True God"?
-#6: Bingo: Read Deut 6:4
Fantastic post.

JohnusMaximus1: If you're trinitarian you don't understand your doctrine, if you're not you need more forcefulness. The Trinity is defined as "The doctrine of the Trinity is simply that there is one eternal being of God - indivisible, infinite. This one being of God is shared by three co-equal, co-eternal persons, the Father, the Son, and the Spirit." (http://www.aomin.org/trinitydef.html). You just said that is impossible....

In conclusion, God is a Spirit (John 4:24). He is not 2 spirits plus a fleshly man. No way can the creation be the creator. You go create yourself. Good luck. God has manifest Himself to man as many different theophanies. If we worshipped each one separately we'd be worshipping a bush (Exodus 3), a cloud (Exodus 13), a fire (Exodus 13), a dove (Mark 1:10, by the way, only Jesus saw it: "And straightway coming up out of the water, he saw the heavens opened, and the Spirit like a dove descending upon him:" noone else). The list goes on, and pretty soon we're worshipping as many Gods as all the ancient cultures who knew not THE ONE TRUE GOD.
1 Corinthians 2:14 reads "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned." Man cannot define God. He is a spirit. To try and define Him causes confusion and that is why people believe the trinity: confusion.

The name "Jesus" is literally translated as "Jehovah has become Salvation". Isaiah 63:5 is a Messianic prophecy and is obviously Jehovah speaking. Jesus as defined by the trinity is a separate person...not an arm. The scripture clearly opposes the trinity.

One final note: the catholic church teaches that Simon Peter was the founder of their church and was the first pope. This
is a lie as hereby shown. Peter was married, not celibate: Mark 1:30, 1 Cor 9:5. The catholic church was started by Simon Petr (Petr is a word used by the Romans that meant "father", very similar to the Chinese word "san" as used in martial arts in North American "Dojos".) The Simon that started the catholic church was the sorcerer addicted to money (Acts 8:9-24). History tells us he went to Rome. He then started a false church that killed people throughout the ages. Nowhere in scripture do the disciples kill people for unbelief....the catholic church is a false church and therefore CANNOT define God. To base your belief on it's teachings is to build your spiritual house on sand.

All scripture references are King James Version.

God bless you and keep you and lead you to truth.

P.S. If any of you are offended I am sorry. Those of you who are Oneness, I am not trying to one-up you or belittle your answer...just trying to clarify. Those who believe in Pluralities of Gods, you need to study to show yourselves approved.

Answer 2

The Blessed Trinity, like the other dogmas of the Catholic Church, is a belief that has been held since the teaching of Christ to the Apostles. The Trinity is not found clearly defined in any passage in Sacred Scripture, nor does the name "trinity" appear within its pages. However, in order to be considered "Christian," one must believe in the Trinitarian God. In the first centuries the Church sought to clarify what the Trinity was by deepening its own understanding and by defending it against errors. In order to do this, the Church had to develop its own terminology which is reflected the dogmatic statement:
"In God there are 3 Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of the 3 persons possesses one Divine Substance."
The term "substance" designates the divine being in its unity (there is only one God); it doesn't mean that God has a size or shape. The term "person" designates the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (these persons are really distinct from each other).
Attempts to describe this relationship clearly always fall short. St. Patrick is credited with using the shamrock; one stem composed of three leaves. Others have used water; a material which exists as ice, liquid, and steam. No matter how it is described, the Trinity is three persons in one God.

Answer 3

It goes without saying that the word "trinity" is not in the Bible. But what about the concept? The trinity contains the following definite ideas:

1. There are said to be three divine persons—the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit—in the Godhead.

2. Each of these separate persons is said to be eternal, none coming before or after the other in time.

3. Each is said to be almighty, with none greater or lesser than the other.

4. Each is said to be omniscient, knowing all things.

5. Each is said to be true God.

6. However, it is said that there are not three Gods but only one God.

I invite you to search the Bible, especially the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures, to see for yourself if Jesus and his disciples taught a Trinity. As you search, ask yourself:

1. Can I find any scripture that mentions “Trinity”?

2. Can I find any scripture that says that God is made up of three distinct persons, Father, Son, and holy spirit, but that the three are only one God?

3. Can I find any scripture that says that the Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom?

Search as you may, you will not find one scripture that uses the word Trinity, nor will you find any that says that Father, Son, and holy spirit are equal in all ways, such as in eternity, power, position, and wisdom. Not even a single scripture says that the Son is equal to the Father in those ways—and if there were such a scripture, it would establish not a Trinity but at most a “duality.” Nowhere does the Bible equate the holy spirit with the Father.

Answer 4

Matthew 28:19

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Answer 5

For being such an "important" Bible teaching, there doesn't seem to be very much Scriptural support for it.

Rather, Jesus is God's son (Matthew 3:17). Not too hard to comprehend.

John 3:16 says that 'God loved the world so much He gave his son'. It never says God came to die for us. God is immortal and cannot die. The Bible shows that Jesus often prayed to God, something he wouldn't have had to do if he were God (John 17:1; 11:41; Luke 6:12).

The Bible shows that God the Father is greater than Jesus:
John 14:28 -the Father is greater than Jesus
John 5:19, 30- Jesus does what God wants him too
John 6:38- Jesus does God's will
John 8:28- the Father taught Jesus
John 12:49 -God commanded Jesus what to say
Matthew 26:39

This does not mean that Jesus does not deserve our great love and respect. God has made Jesus king (Luke 1:31, 32; Daniel 7:13, 14) That Bible states that every knee should bend in respect and recognition of Jesus' kingship (Philippians 2:9-11). This is, of course, to the glory of Jesus's heavenly Father- the one whom Jesus called "my God". -John 20:17

Answer 6

The word trinity is not on the bible and it is only on the catholic doctrines.

However the supposed trinity whioch the catholics believe is the three entities in oneness as God, It is the God, the Father, God, the Son, and the Holy Spirit Read the bible, and you can find what I have told to you.
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Answer 7

One place is Matthew 28:19...

"Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,"

Answer 8

The word trinity doesn't exist in the bible.

The concept doesn't exist in the bible.

The only thing that supported the trinity in the bible is John 5:7. However, this was thrown out of the bible. not to long ago. being called an addition(Corruption) to the bible.





Matthew 28:19, doesn't prove the trinity at all.
http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch1.2.2.1.html

Answer 9

New Testament...although it refers to God is three forms, I don't know exactly where the word Trinity is in the Bible....Matthew it talks about the Holy Spirit descending to the desciples.

Answer 10

if you're really interested in knowing, it's all over Scripture.

the Genesis account (Creator, Word, Spirit)
the angel of the Lord to Manoah, Joshua and Moses neither giving name, refusing to say His name, or being distinguished from heavenly hosts suggests a pre-incarnate Christ
Jesus words, such as asking "ever wonder why David called his son 'Lord'?", His saying that He and the Father are one, His saying that He was before Abraham yet we learn from the Psalms (139:13) that souls are created in the womb, He called Himself Yahweh (the I AM), His pointing out that man can recognize what is of God (the rich young ruler), His acceptance of Thomas' worship of Him, His declaration that He would destroy the 'temple' and rebuild it, His declaration that He is the Truth, His calling the Holy Spirit of the same essense. then in the epistles (1 Timothy) they say great is the mystery that God could become flesh, that one isn't saved unless they believe Jesus Christ came in the flesh, Acts says that He is both God and man, Romans continually calls Him Lord, and Revelation is all about His Lordship in the future.