If Biology is correct, then the flow of evolution went from chaos to order, which means that the Laws of Thermodynamics in Physics is wrong, since the claim there is that everthing goes from order to chaos unless acted upon by an outside source.
If they are both correct, what or who was the outside source which acted upon evolution?
2007-08-26 00:25:11 · 14 answers · asked by AZ2CO 4 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
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2007-08-26 00:29:10 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 4⤋
You *cannot* apply the Laws of Thermodynamics to biology. There is a reason that they are called the Laws of Thermodynamics. It's because they're the Laws of Thermodynamics, not the Laws of Biology.
"the claim there is that everthing goes from order to chaos unless acted upon by an outside source."
*Not* everything.
Sheesh! Take a physics class!
Jim, http://www.jimpettis.com/wheel/
2007-08-26 07:37:26 · answer #2 · answered by JimPettis 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
You've misunderstood physics -- physics only says entropy increases globally (in the universe or a "closed system"). Physics does NOT say order cannot increase locally. Energy decreases and entropy increases -- the sun burn, depleting its own energy, and some of that energy winds up on Earth where it sustains life (increasing order locally through the greater loss of energy as the sun slowly burns itself out). So they are both right, and require no "outside source" -- thermodymics allows order to increase on Earth while the universe as a whole runs down.
Be careful with the word "chaos" -- perhaps you should look into chaos theory before using it too much.
2007-08-26 07:39:44 · answer #3 · answered by Mr. Niceguy 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
One could infer that evolution was in fact order to chaos. Look at a tank of still water. That is order. Look at it with 100 fish in it. That is chaos. The branches of evolution would only make life even more chaotic, so there is no need for an outside force. If you are looking for one however, comet ice deposits is scientifically the best contributor. That is what is believed to provide the seed of life on our planet.
2007-08-26 07:33:41 · answer #4 · answered by Dan 2 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The second law of thermodynamics is about entropy in closed systems, rather than a generalised rule about "order" or "chaos".
But yes you are right. If evolution were true there would have to be a giant source of energy outside the biosphere putting energy in on a daily basis, wouldn't there?
I'm sure if there were such a source, scientists would have discovered it by now.
I imagine it would have to be something like a big fusion reactor.
[Edit J.P. - you spoilsport!]
2007-08-26 07:30:58 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
you developed from a single cell. i'm not talking about evolution, i'm talking about growth and development from a fertilised egg. if evolution was forbidden by thermodynamics (which it isn't) development would be doubly impossible given that it takes only a few years compared to a few million. you're talking a load of twaddle, basically. overall entropy does always increase, but with input energy, it can decrease locally while increasing globally. 'the outside source which acted upon evolution' is therefore the sun (mostly).
2007-08-26 07:39:40 · answer #6 · answered by vorenhutz 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Read more such as Ernst Mayr and 'What evolution is" and there are many books on describing how the chaos theory fits with the process of evolution.
Of course both are true.
2007-08-26 07:34:01 · answer #7 · answered by nicelyevolve 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
The "laws" of physics only apply in a closed system, which scientists think, but are not entirely sure, the universe is. Perhaps even in a closed system, the accepted laws are not accurate. There is much we do not know. Why people have so much trouble admitting this and need to postulate God in the meantime is beyond my vast intellect.
2007-08-26 07:33:58 · answer #8 · answered by theoryparker 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
They are both true.
The outside source is the Sun. The Sun adds significant amounts of energy to the Earth on a continual basis.
2007-08-26 07:34:19 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
People will say that the outside force is the Sun, this is not true, while it is providing the energy, which could be used for change, it has no affect on things becoming more complex. It's like, if you have a hammer, nails, and wood, and shine a flood light on it for 10,000 years, i guarantee you nothing will happen. However, if you assume that evolution is not true, then they can both co-exist. Whilst people can create living things form non-living, as someone is trying to create a bacterium currently, intelligence is required for it to happen, not energy and the particles needed
2007-08-26 07:37:41 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 3⤋
This logic is a problem for evolutionist. Since they state that everything goes from Chaos to order. Now Creationism state everything was created perfect.
I wonder what twisted logic would they come up with to explain this.
k1
2007-08-26 07:34:50 · answer #11 · answered by Kenneth G 6 · 0⤊ 4⤋