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Just wondering, did anybody know this?

2007-08-25 18:38:37 · 12 answers · asked by science rules! 3 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

to mooseback-

I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religion than it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."

"I cannot imagine a God who rewards and punishes the objects of his creation, whose purposes are modeled after our own -- a God, in short, who is but a reflection of human frailty. Neither can I believe that the individual survives the death of his body, although feeble souls harbor such thoughts through fear or ridiculous egotism."

"I do not believe in the immortality of the individual, and I consider ethics to be an exclusively human concern with no superhuman authority behind it."

"If people are good only because they fear punishment, and hope for a reward, then we are a sorry lot indeed."

-Albert Einstein, German-born American physicist

2007-08-25 18:46:27 · update #1

you read enisteins quotes and you tell me did he have a hard time knowing or not and to utikit or whatever your name is, I used to be a christan. I learned to think. I just wanted to know if others knew this. You're equally as dumb to even read it then huh?

2007-08-25 18:49:08 · update #2

"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession. I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."

- Abraham Lincoln, American president (1809-1865).

2007-08-25 18:53:40 · update #3

tim h-you actually made it easier-My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.

What is to be, will be, and no prayers of ours can arrest the decree.
\Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes his aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not that we be not judged.

The United States government must not undertake to run the Churches. When an individual, in the Church or out of it, becomes dangerous to the public interest he must be checked.

2007-08-25 19:09:10 · update #4

UTIK-provide your source

2007-08-25 19:11:02 · update #5

12 answers

and i am sure you are missing a whole bunch.

2007-08-25 18:47:58 · answer #1 · answered by goldengoose 3 · 4 2

Nothing in your response to me indicated that Lincoln denies God's existence. Only that people pray for the opposite outcomes. Also, you CONVENIENTLY left off the very last sentence, but here it is for you:

"The Almighty has His own purposes"


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I noticed you cut off the very beginning of Albert Einstein' quote to suit your purpose. Here is the first part of the quote:

"I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."
--Albert Einstein

"Neither party expected for the war, the magnitude, or the duration, which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with, or even before, the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes."

Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1865.


Here's another:

"With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in; to bind up the nation's wounds; to care for him who shall have borne the battle, and for his widow and his orphan - to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace, among ourselves, and with all nations."

Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address, March 4, 1865.



Here's another:

"I do not think I could myself, be brought to support a man for office, whom I knew to be an open enemy of, and scoffer at, religion."

Abraham Lincoln
Source: July 31, 1846 - Handbill Replying to Charges of Infidelity


Here's a juicy morsel about Benjamin Franklin:
As Governor, Franklin in 1748 proposed a day of fasting and prayer for Pennsylvania:

It is the duty of mankind on all suitable occasions to acknowledge their dependence on the Divine Being...[that] Almighty God would mercifully interpose and still the rage of war among the nations...[and that] He would take this province under His protection, confound the designs and defeat the attempts of its enemies, and unite our hearts and strengthen our hands in every undertaking that may be for the public good, and for our defense and security in this time of danger.

Another by Franklin:
I have lived, Sir, a long time, and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this truth -- that God governs in the affairs of men. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without His notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid?


This by Samuel Clemens:
"There is no God, no universe, no human race, no earthly life, no heaven, no hell. It is all a dream--a grotesque and foolish dream."
**You heard it here folks. No human race, no earthly life either.


Bill Gates is an agnostic, not an atheist. Nice try.


You make this soooooo easy.

2007-08-26 01:58:47 · answer #2 · answered by Tim H 4 · 1 1

some were proclaimed deists and Albert is Questionable as some consider him pantheistic and some say he spoke in metaphor I think he was more clever than that and not as easily understood as on first blush . His concepts of god ring like a mirror image at times and sometimes as just good leverage in a thought provoking left handed compliment .
when he says he wants to know everthing god knows just not the details or if the solution is simple it's god talking .or before god we are all equallly wise and equally foolish
peace

2007-08-26 01:58:11 · answer #3 · answered by dogpatch USA 7 · 0 0

You must be an undercover Christian. There is no way a real atheist would be dumb enough to post this list!

Quotes from Lincoln:

In regard to this Great Book, I have but to say, it is the best gift God has given to man. All the good the Saviour gave to the world was communicated through this book. But for it we could not know right from wrong. All things most desirable for man’s welfare, here and hereafter, are to be found portrayed in it.

That I am not a member of any Christian church is true; but I have never denied the truth of the Scriptures; and I have never spoken with intentional disrespect of religion in general, or of any denomination of Christians in particular…

The will of God prevails. In great contests each party claims to act in accordance with the will of God. Both may be, and one must be, wrong. God cannot be for and against the same thing at the same time. In the present civil war it is quite possible that God's purpose is something different from the purpose of either party -- and yet the human instrumentalities, working just as they do, are of the best adaptation to effect His purpose. I am almost ready to say that this is probably true -- that God wills this contest, and wills that it shall not end yet. By his mere great power, on the minds of the now contestants, He could have either saved or destroyed the Union without a human contest. Yet the contest began. And, having begun He could give the final victory to either side any day. Yet the contest proceeds.

Both [North and South] read the same Bible, and pray to the same God; and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces; but let us judge not that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered; that of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes.
No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens.

2007-08-26 01:45:58 · answer #4 · answered by NONAME 7 · 3 3

Abraham Lincoln was a Deist. In his Gettysburg Address, he said, "...this nation, under God..." At the Republican Convention in 1858, he paraphrased Matthew 12:25, "...A house divided..."
While President, he attended the N.Y. Ave. Presbyterian Church in Washington. In his speech at his second inauguration, he said he was "...in constant anxiety and prayer".

2007-08-26 13:06:39 · answer #5 · answered by Renata 6 · 0 0

Abraham Lincoln was not an actual atheist and was in fact deeply spritual. He said how he had a vision of his death before it even happened. He was very prayerful from what I learned. Bill Gates I would have never guessed!

2007-08-26 01:50:49 · answer #6 · answered by Animal Girl 4 · 5 0

Stop trying to claim Einstein. He was agnostic.

That was Einstien discussing the christian god.
He also said.
"Before God we are all equally wise - and equally foolish. "
"At any rate, I am convinced that He [God] does not play dice."
There are other times he talked about a higher power that I just don't feel like diggin up right now. One of the quotes you used even says "personal god".

2007-08-26 01:43:57 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 4 4

Wow.

Tim H TOTALLY wasted you.

He chewed up your quotes, put them in context, and had you for breakfast.

It's amazing what a little context will do. You should try it sometime.

Tim, keep it up, this is hilarious!

2007-08-26 02:56:18 · answer #8 · answered by katie b 1 · 2 1

Mother Teresa had HUGE doubts about god. It was in the NY Times today.

2007-08-26 01:44:18 · answer #9 · answered by labohemianartist 4 · 3 3

what about

ayn rand
gene rodenberry
joss whedon
julia sweeny

2007-08-26 01:51:30 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 2 2

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