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just trying to understand the christian thought process

2007-08-24 21:26:06 · 32 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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It is silly, isn't it? I mean, if I'm having problems I don't call out to myself. Of course, anything's possible in fictional stories, especially such badly thought out ones.

Did a historical Jesus exist?
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

Pagan origins of Jesus:
http://geocities.com/christprise/
http://www.medmalexperts.com/POCM/index.html
http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizrael/jesusrefutation.html
http://www.rationalresponders.com/a_silence_that_screams_no_contemporary_historical_accounts_for_jesus
http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/cla/pcc/pcc09.htm
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa3.htm
http://www.harrington-sites.com/motif.htm
http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/resurrection/lecture.html
http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/virgin.html

2007-08-24 21:34:21 · answer #1 · answered by YY4Me 7 · 2 4

It comes down to God being 3 persons, but one at the same time. God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. A concept that is hard for the mind to grasp because of the complexity it must take to be 3 and yet 1

And as for Jesus crying out to God the Father, it's thought (I say thought because I don't think it's in the Bible, and thus no proof for it) that because Jesus was on the cross to pay for sin, God the Father could not look at Jesus was taking those sins. BUT this is not backed by the Bible, only thoughts of others. I'm not sure exactly why other than to call out for mercy.

2007-08-24 21:31:47 · answer #2 · answered by Thomas The Servant 4 · 1 2

OK...get out your pen and paper....ready..Before Jesus was born into a human body, he was spirit, and had never been alone without God, when he was on the cross, Jesus had all the sins of mankind on him and he was sin for a while..God the Father cannot be where there is sin or he will destroy it. so God had to leave him alone for a while, and Jesus felt the loneliness of being without God..and he cried out to him and if you've read the Bible ,he died soon after...I think God took him because he couldn't be without him and see him in all the sin of the world any longer...and when he died..it was finished,so when we are saved the holy spirit comes and lives within us til we die and I think that was so we wouldn't feel the loneliness that Jesus felt being away from God...so when we are saved we have ability to communicate with God ,through the Holy spirit in Jesus name..what we pray for the Holy spirit helps us to understand and feel the Spirit of God and all that are saved have the same spirit in them to, so why is it so hard to see that he is God he can do anything...anything
God is a almighty being that has powers and ways we've yet to conceive....he created the universe and everything you've ever seen or heard of and more...so he has the ability to be 3 different beings of the same inanity..like water,ice, and vapor ...same concept, i mean why is God being , Father ,Son, Holy Spirit so hard for people to grasp, there are more unbelievable thing in this universe that are just as spectacular...but since you didn't see it..you can't believe it...30 years ago if you'd told some one they could talk to some one all the way across the world and see them at the same time in real time..they didn't believe it...and the comic books kids read in the 20's about space ships and men going to the moon.....there are more thing in Heaven and Earth than mortal man can conceive..(the Bible)

2007-08-24 22:02:56 · answer #3 · answered by purpleaura1 6 · 1 2

"Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?

Although Jesus was God he was also man. Taking on the physical being of man, to take away the sins of the world. He did this so that his followers would be able to identify with him as a man. They would be to see that like man he suffered pain, like man he bleed when he was cut, like man he was not free of temptation. Which if you read about his 40 days in the desert with Satan and he the great temptation you will learn that Jesus did have the human frailty of temptation but he over came it and the message is so can we. Anyway.

When Christ called this out on the cross, he was in great physical agony. But worse than that as he bore the sins of the world, he was separated from God. Anyway, the trinity is very complex and without a solid understanding of the Bible it is hard to explain. Basically, he had felt as if the spiritual form of God had spiritually abandoned him. This showed his followers and non-believers that he was God in human form and that he was indeed suffering for our sin.

When he cried this out to the Father God, he was showing the seperation that sin causes between man and God.

Anyway, if you don't believe you don't believe. I get it, I understand it and someday I hope to spend eternity woshipping the Lord God in Heaven.

Good Question though, the Holy Trinity like I said can be confusing.

2007-08-25 02:30:20 · answer #4 · answered by fire_side_2003 5 · 0 1

Jesus Christ also said that he cannot do anything without the Father in heaven, so how can Jesus be God also. when Jesus was baptized, Jehovah came down like a dove and said this is my son the beloved. when Jesus was on the stake, he said Fathe forgive them they do not know what they are doing. it is Jehovah the Father, Jesus Christ the son, and the Holy Spirit is Jehovah's Active Force. yes Jesus said you seen me you seen the Father, he was with Jehovah for billions of years before he came to earth. you cannot pray to yourself, even the 12 disciples knew that Jesus Christ was the son of the Most Holy Father Jehovah. believe what you want. read your bible and it will tell you the same thing. or our website at www.watchtower.org. no one has ever seen Jehovah God, not even Moses, he only seen his back, but people have seen Jesus Christ as a human, who is the son of God

2007-08-25 00:55:58 · answer #5 · answered by lover of Jehovah and Jesus 7 · 1 1

Even more important? Why did He say "Father forgive them, for they know not what they do"!?
The only way that works is, if there are Three! God, the Father! God, the Son, and The Holy Ghost, who testifies to the existence of the other two!
And why would God send Himself to be a mediator, between us, and Himself? That is why Jesus came to Earth! To take on our sins, and, give up his life doing it! And then to speak for us to God!
Saying that God did all this Himself, for Himself?
Sure sounds strange to me! That is why it is three! Trinity!

2007-08-24 23:03:43 · answer #6 · answered by jaded 4 · 0 1

Notice he said "My God, My God". These are equated to God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit.

The genius of the cross is that , Christ in his human spirit bore the sin of the world. So that sin never came in contact with his deity. God cannot come into contact with sin, or He becomes compromised with sin.
For the same reason sin cannot simply be forgiven arbitrarily by simple compassion, or God to some degree condones the sins He forgives.
That is why sin demands a sacrifice.
AND SINCE WE ARE ALL SINFUL, THAT IS ALSO WHY GOD HIMSELF HAD TO COME IN THE FORM OF A HUMAN TO MAKE A WAY FOR US TO BE SAVED.
ONLY CHRIST WAS SINLESS, AND ONLY HIS SACRIFICE WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
A sinful person cannot offer any sacrifice that is pure.
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2007-08-24 21:36:55 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 2 2

What did He cry out? Eli, Eli, Lamma Shabakthaani...(My God, My God Why have you forsaken me) He was one with God. Just to save you and me, He humbled himself to die on the cross. But as Father God put all the sin of the world upon the Son God, Father cannot be united with Son for sometime which was unseparable. This matter was unbearable for Jesus. That is what he is crying in Gathsamenah Garden.
He came to die for you and me. But He was in oneness with God the Father.
Jesus has to feel lonely without the Father's presence for sometimes which He felt much painful. So He cried out. HE suffered that impossible thing too, just for you and me.
We consider much things as hindrance to meet this wonderful saviour. But He emptied himself completely on that cross. Then now what is the matter. Just call on Him and get saved.

2007-08-24 21:35:33 · answer #8 · answered by maranatha 4 · 1 2

Since the Bible affirms that Jesus is God, it is often perplexing to note that Jesus addresses God in prayer. The answer to this, as well as to all references to Jesus as tired, hungry, weeping, lacking knowledge, etc., is that Jesus was a true man, as well as God. The second Person of the Trinity, God the Son, took upon Himself complete humanity, except for our sinful nature, when He was conceived in Mary. He is described by theologians as one Divine Person having two natures, divine and human—the God-man.

Passages of Scripture which describe Jesus' limitations are referring to His humanity. He lived His life as a true man, depending upon His heavenly Father day by day, just as we are expected to do. Many believe that even His miracles and supernatural knowledge were enabled by the Holy Spirit, not accomplished by switching back and forth between His divine and human natures. When Jesus cried from the cross, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" He was expressing from His human consciousness the terrible sense of being separated from His heavenly Father as He suffered the penalty for the world's sin. He, of course, with respect to His divine nature, could not suffer or die. In all of this great mystery, we have only glimmers of truth which is beyond human comprehension.

2007-08-25 04:14:27 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

On that moment Jesus carried the sins of the world, and God left him for a moment, cause God can't look on sin. Once Jesus sin's where forgiven, he died. And was resurrected three days later.

2007-08-24 21:43:17 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

Of course nothing was written by Jesus, in fact nothing was written at all until, after more than a hundred years, after his murder. Only Matthew said Jesus was God, during his trial when ask directly, his answers was, "no that what you say I am, I am the son of God and the son of man. He did say however that he was the Messiah, which mean messenger.
In Genesis, it states that we all were created in the likeness of God, (our soul), we are also the son, daughters of men, (the physical). That is only my thinking on the subject, and does not make it a fact, that your decision to make.

2007-08-24 21:46:11 · answer #11 · answered by All-One 6 · 1 2

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