Bernhard Lohse says in A Short History of Christian Doctrine: "As far as the New Testament is concerned, one does not find in it an actual doctrine of the Trinity."
The New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology similarly states: "The N[ew] T[estament] does not contain the developed doctrine of the Trinity. 'The Bible lacks the express declaration that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are of equal essence' [said Protestant theologian Karl Barth]."
Yale University professor E. Washburn Hopkins affirmed: "To Jesus and Paul the doctrine of the trinity was apparently unknown; . . . they say nothing about it."—Origin and Evolution of Religion.
Historian Arthur Weigall notes: "Jesus Christ never mentioned such a phenomenon, and nowhere in the New Testament does the word 'Trinity' appear. The idea was only adopted by the Church three hundred years after the death of our Lord."—The Paganism in Our Christianity.
Primitive Christianity did not have an explicit doctrine
2007-08-24 19:28:08 · 11 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
The trinity comes from the maiden, mother, and crone.
2007-08-24 19:33:59 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
Jesus did mention it but not as the trinity. I do not think the word is important.
The Great Commission
16 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in [a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."
Footnotes:
1. Matthew 28:19 Or into; see Acts 8:16; 19:5; Romans 6:3; 1 Cor. 1:13; 10:2; Gal. 3:27.
2007-08-25 02:38:35 · answer #2 · answered by Mim 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
What bishops and popes declared the Trinity a pagan dogma? Only a Protestant could argue against the Trinity for no other reason than the fact that it is not taught explicitly in the New Testament.
And by the way, I have been studying theology for several years, and I have never encountered any of the folks that you quote here. What credentials do they have, exactly?
(No, I'm not saying that Protestants don't believe in the Trinity).
2007-08-25 02:33:57 · answer #3 · answered by NONAME 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Trinity, like any spin word, evades available evidences so to recruit slaves to chaff (Rom 6:16; Jer 23:28-30; Ps 1:1-4). John the Baptist tells us that Jesus came to burn away the chaff in an unexpected way (Matt 3:11-12,17; Ps 2:1-4,5-7).
God the Father in Genesis 17:1 is "el" the Almighty, Unknowable and Unchangable God who addressed Abram to establish a "perfect" set of postumous evidences thru Abram's generations (Gen 17:7; Is 8:18-20; Heb 11:39-40). Abram's name change to Abraham, fatherather of multitudes, commemorates the union of the unseen God and our evidence of His consistant actions (1Sam 2:3).
In Genesis 17:7 "el", the Almighty Unknowable God, tells Abraham that the recorded heritage covenant itself is a God unto "..thee and to thy seed after thee." But the covenant word of God that is the same as God is not called "el". The covenant is "elohyim" Gen 17:7; John 1:1-2), the word of God we can know (jer 10:23-24; 2Tim 3:16-17) and in God's image (Gen 1:26-27; John 4:24) become the Son of God (Eph 4:4-6; Deut 8:5-6; John 5:30,45-47; 10:34-36).
The Holy Ghost is the postumous testimonies of those generations in the covenat God "elohyim" (Heb 9:17), made "PERFECT" (Gen 17:1; Heb 11:39-40) in that they, like "el", cannot change their witness and remain true and faithful to all who read the covenant without using any man's interpretive chaff or spin on word definitions (Jer 31:33-34; 1John 2:28-19,24,27; Rom 6:16).
Genesis 1:1 does not start out as a history lesson about an ambiguous trinity that creationist spin doctors argue with equally ignorant evolutionists about.
Genesis 1:1 opens the lexicon of "elohyim" the revealed word of God we can learn (1Cor 10:3-4,5-10,11; Eze 18:2-3,14-18; Heb 11:39-40) and be the image of God (ps 82:1-8)
"In the beginning ELOHYIM CREATED...:"
Gen 1:1; Ecc 3:14-15; Gen 1:31; John 1:3; Rom 8:28
"..and there was light,"
Gen 1:3; Is 8:18-20; John 3:19; 1JOHN 2:24,27
2007-08-25 11:08:59 · answer #4 · answered by Roger D 1 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Punter, even if your quotes are accurate it only shows that some who proclaim Christianity dont know God...Jesus said this is true. Now anyone who thinks they are Christian and do not agree with Christ are not Christian anymore than Muslims worship the God of Abraham. Moses foretold of all of God's plan in the first book of Moses you should read it sometime.
If Moses understood the doctrine and Abraham clearly did why should any Chrsitian disagree? Christ definitely taught the doctrine simply open your Bible and read it for yourself.
2007-08-25 02:43:45 · answer #5 · answered by djmantx 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Why do you quote the books written about the Bible, rather than read the Bible and see for yourself.
2007-08-25 02:34:41 · answer #6 · answered by Reds 2 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Because they make a living and have job security. And all they have to do is point to a cloud and wave a bible.
2007-08-25 02:44:40 · answer #7 · answered by liberty11235 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋
What's your question? Or did you just come here to preach?
2007-08-25 02:33:46 · answer #8 · answered by Craig R 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Yep, it's true. There's one God only, our God and Jesus' God.
2007-08-25 02:37:00 · answer #9 · answered by B 4 · 2⤊ 0⤋
Wrong!
2007-08-25 05:51:02 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋