The Iraq Situation & Undocumented Immigrants--How does this change your stance, does it?

Question

Reading these articles made me think. First of all, there are soldiers fighting in Iraq that are being killed that are not citizens of the US. I am sorry, I would fight for this country if need be, but,the fact that these soldiers are in the military and are dying for this country makes me wonder if that doesn't make them more of a "citizen" than I.

About 35,000 legal immigrants without citizenship are now serving in the military, and nearly 34,000 other service members have taken the citizenship oath since 2001.That means when immigrant soldiers ship off to Iraq, they may carry with them a worry their American-born counterparts are less likely to share: that their family members might be deported while they are away.

I realize that these are "non-citizen" status which is different from being undocumented, but, family members are illegal.

http://nctimes.com/articles/2007/08/11/military/6_10_398_10_07.txt

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=19618

http://www.inthesetimes.com/article/3271/illegal_immigrants_uncle_sam_wants_you/

The third article talks about our military recruiting undocumented teens with false promises of citizenship....

My point is this: First of all, if they are fighting for a country that they obviously believe in and are willing to die for, should they not be given the opportunity to gain citizenship? The military is down on enrollment, and, the undocumented are stepping up to the plate- to risk their lives. You and I are not. Does that not make them more dedicated and more of a "citizen" than either you or I?

Albertos parents- great generalization there. I am not Latina. I am white. Great great great grandfather from Wales. Great Grandfather fought in the World War. I have a great uncle with a name on the Pearl Harbor memorial wall. We have a family cemetery that holds my great great grandfather. I am white. My husband is white. He is here for unknown generations- atleast 4. Furthermore, our kids have blonde curly hair and blue eyes. So, "my country" is here, honey.....

And may I add, you name your son "Alberto" a Latino name- but, you seem pretty angry against Latinos--- saying that I only care about "my country"---assuming that I am Latino because I disagree with you????

Answer 1

well Amanda this does not change my stance in immigration since i believe that every immigrant in this country deserves the opportunity of being part of the USA as far as they have kept themselves out of real crimes such as murder and gang activities and anything related . i would like to add to what u posted that in states like Georgia the undocumented have become really important too working as firefighters and that many people do not know this because of the constant media to make look every undocumented as the worst criminals in the nation . i think that enough is enough , both political parties know they cannot get rid of the undocumented and they know too of how important they are to the USA , so having said this all i can say is that we should go for the logic , we need to know who is here in the USA , we need to be able to make accountable for their action everyone and we need to bring out of the shadows those which anyway will not leave because of their need .

Answer 2

Taking an oath of allegiance to the United States army is tantamount to naturalization. Military personnel and their dependants should be granted immediate conditional residence, to be made permanent upon their honorable discharge. This is a time-honored tradition.

In the Border Patrol, I worked with several Mexicans who had earned US citizenship through their service with the US Army in Vietnam.

My Great Uncle, at age 16, lied about his age and snuck off to Canada to join their army in WWI. He was wounded at the Somme and returned to the US several days before we entered the war. He was awarded the right of Canadian Citizenship.

Another Great Uncle was awarded the French Legion d'Honneur and the right to French citizenship.

Answer 3

I think they're doing a good job on trying to appeal to my emotion. The fact remains, if you want something done do your best and go about doing it the right way. There is absolutely nothing wrong with legal immigration. What is wrong is they do it illegaly and drum up some stories trying to appeal to my emotions making me feel sorry for these people. I don't.

Edit; you're making a claim saying they obviously believe in the American way if they're fighting for our country. It's illogical. These articles are intended to play on emotions. I'm not saying they shouldn't have the right to citizenship but how do you know they aren't enlisting simply for the benefits of being a soldier, especially in good and bad times?

Answer 4

If a legal immigrant serves a six year tour of duty in our military he or she will be taught everything they need to pass the citizenship test. They will also learn sufficient English. Veterans receive preferential grading on all government exams. They can sit for citizenship while still in the military. Two Filipino mess stewards were naturalized on my chip while we were doing an ALPAT. They became US Citizens and proud of it both of their fathers served under Gen. MacArthur.

Answer 5

All legal immigrants are welcome whether they are in the military or not. As a matter of fact , I know quite a few immigrant soldiers ( not all Hispanic). Illegals must go , family members or not. We must be strict or this willbe perverted even more. Now its brothers and sisters, next it will be 3rd and 4th cousins. Where does it end?

Answer 6

Who really cares. Are we suppose to dedicate the rest of our lives to the needs of illegals. Can't the illegals do anything without expecting a big reward. You do understand they will collect free food stamps, free medical care,free counseling from La Raza, free ss checks for life. Why do you want us to give America to Mexico? You seem more concern with Mexico than your own country. You do not care if an illegal alien has 50 stolen ssn's and damages 50 America lives. It's all about your country Mexico and the greed of your people. If you will fight for your country, why want you go sign up or do you have an excuse, with no documents ? Fakes ones work. Why you not go sign up . Everybody else suppose to do it but you? You ever hear of You do not speak for me. Not every Hispanic wants illegals here. What about the 50 damage lives you will pay the family legal fess or say illegal may use stolen ssn's for better life?

Answer 7

No in certainty i could bypass extra, unlawful alien, in basic terms because it became first of all. Our regulation says no they arrive besides, it is in certainty unlawful. If I run a purple easy the regulation says no, i'm getting a value ticket. How is that truthful? We punish voters yet no longer illegals! it is in basic terms bassakwards!!!!

Answer 8

So?Because they're in the military that should make it okay for all their relatives to live here,wrecking the school system,causing health care prices to go even higher because we have to pay for their care,driving down wages so Americans are priced out of jobs,and on and on?

Answer 9

Many people here talking crap about hispanic immigrants should be out there fighting in Iraq along with those immigrants.

Answer 10

Excellent points!! I like your Q and A's!