British Justice system?

Question

Do you agree that Britian needs a Justice system with B***S make prison a punishment and not an training college for criminals, make em break rocks all day. And that goes for the pansy youth justice board who treat child killers with kid gloves

Answer 1

I agree that something should be done about our justice system.

I think there should be chain gangs like in America, then they can clean the litter of our streets and it'll make England a cleaner and tidier place to live.

Also they should bring death penalty back for those child killers and molesters.

Answer 2

The way the justice system works in UK is mainly due to history. Go back a couple of hundred years and we were transporting people to America and then Australia. People also got hanged for what we now consider petty crimes. For example, I read of a boy of 12 being hanged in the 1840s in the Isle of Wight for steeling a lump of coal. There are literally thousands of cases in the past like this. I also heard of a young man in the 1880s who was made to do 20 days hard labour for taking a day off sick from work. This history of hanging and forced labour weighs heavily upon the legal system in England. What we have here is a liberal democracy which is reluctant to go on sending people to prison when we know the system does not work that well. Few if any prisoners are ever reformed. In most cases they just come out knowning more about crime and how to do it.

Answer 3

The justice system is based on a penal method going back to the Dark Ages. In those days people were 'punished' by being put in a stock in the middle of a square so that people could spit on them or throw rotten vegetables at them. Punishment was very public and very harsh.
The problem is I feel that successive Governments have simply copied the methods of their peers and by a process similar to that of apes copying each other we have a system that has not adapted to the modern world. They think they have adapted it by applying the piddling science of cognitive psychology but in reality both sides are playing mind games.

By accepting the value systems they used in the Dark Ages and appyling the cranky science of psychology to it what we have in our prisons today is a population of misfits who are confused whether they are being punished or rehabilitated. The form of punishment is archaic mostly and therefore antagonistic and the form of mental correction can be temporary even when orientated by mind altering drugs therefore superficial.

What the penal system needs to break from is the idea of a moralistic divine judgement that demands a suitable measure of pain or discomfort i.e. exclusion or confinement etc and to embrace a more materialistic regime of punishment. Since God is no longer the centre of the universe for a society that has been sucked into the vacuum of humanism the best approach to penalty would be one based on pure economics.

Since the humanistic world treats each person as a kind of commodity to be bought and sold in the labour market why not apply this principle to punishment.

i.e.
In the event of a thug using a stolen car to do a robbery and ending up in court with a conviction. Instead of committing an army of head shrinks and counsellors to 'reform' his mind surely it would be best to present him with an invoice for all the damage and costs he has caused by his actions.
The victims would get immediate compensation because the Government would underwrite the method of collecting the money from the criminal. Included in the invoice would be the cost of the police and other ancilliary services used to catch the villian, the cost of the legal staff and the courts, the cost of his/her accommodation while he/she worked his/her butt off paying for the invoice. No freedom until the bill is paid in full. If he sherks, he stays longer clapped in the cell.
One could offer additional training so that after he/she has paid the bill in full they might come out with another skill but that would depend entirely on their motivation to complete the economic punishment.
The prison would be viewed more as place of repaying debts than of being punished by King Alfred the Great. The entire humanistic culture of self righteousness would make more sense in the context of money as the god of judgement and correction as opposed to the pretentious use of phrases like 'tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God' as the context.

Answer 4

I agree with you 100%..................but it starts from the get go dont you think, I recall the kid that got taking on a safaria to AFRICA with 3 social workers to show him that things would be better if he behaved.......really pi$$ed me off that my kids worked hard at school, was good and did not get into trouble and the chance of me being able to afford to send them to Afica on a safari was nil.......seems that only the bad get rewards and the rest of us has to pay for it..........for instance did you know that they can get a OU degree whilst in jail and not pay a damm thing for it, yet everyone else has to pay full price.....I can understand them being given basic education etc if they fell behind at school but why give them all that stuff for nothing.

Rather like the justice system here in the USA where I live now, if you screw up then you go to jail, life means life and guess what they STILL execute people here for crimes.

regards

EDIT to Lae and Jase......yep they REALLY do have those clean up crews over here...........not a day goes by where there is not some group or other outside picking up litter and working on the gardens etc and it is ALL around the town not just in the pretty nice parts.........regards

Answer 5

You could have just asked "Do you agree that Britain needs a Justice system?" because we do not have justice in this country. We have judges whose sexual predilections I now seriously question and we have long had to put up with the ridiculous situation where a victim can be penalised harder than the person who victimised them in the first place. What we have isn't a justice system; it's a flagrant mockery of ordinary, decent people's rights.

Answer 6

How right you are.

This country's criminal justice system is a joke. The thing is everyone knows this and little is done to change it. The Home Secretary talks the talk but sadly does not back it up wih positive action. The government will have us all believe that they improved what the Tories left them. For me they have done little to improve things in the 10+ years they've had.

There is no deterant and no respect.

I back the Daily Mirrors campaign to 'Reclaim the streets'.

Answer 7

sentencing is meant to be not only punishment for the criminal, it is also, justice system, meant to be a deterrant to would be criminals .Somewhere along the line, the plot has been lost, and until the legal aid system is overhauled, the plot ain,t going to change. If doctors were handing out duff medicines to patients, it would be unacceptable .As always ,as we see inrecent divorce cases, money buys all, justice, freedom, conservatories, private education, who is going to rock that boat ?. Not the beneficiaries, who incidentially are not the long suffering British public.

Answer 8

While we have a Nanny state where the Justice system favours the criminal and not the victim things are not going to change. I can't believe the perks that criminals get. I don't think that the Government have a clue what to do about street crime, hoodies and the like, we could always "love" them as David Cameron suggested and I don't think!!!.

Answer 9

It's shockingly poor. I say bring back national service, the birch, the stocks and capital punishment. This country should stop being so wet and get a bit more medieval and stop with the pathetic 'human rights' b******s of criminals. They're scum! Who cares?!

Answer 10

In terms of having a fair trial etc I think we have got it right but I agree the penalties need to fit the crimes and that is just not happening now. The perpetrators of crime are looked after better then the victims.