Someone commented this to me.
The reason I do not believe this can be so is because the definition of God is off here. God by Christian definition is a being of perfect existence, existing outside of time.
That God is a pink elephant or sandwich is an imaginative thought, but under this system of logic it is completely fallacious. Pink elephants and sandwiches have a dependant existence (have a cause) as I was demonstrating before the being which is named God is shown to be without cause.
Substituting imaginative things for such a being may be whimsical but its not a valid argument.
lol. ^.^
2007-08-23 17:20:38 · 15 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Yea same thing about the flying spaghetti monster...the advocates of that "argument" are missing the steps in logic of the unmoved mover argument...and are just being silly.
Oh, and I'm not advocating for the existence of pink elephants...lets just leave it as elephants. But hey, even if pink elephants exist they'd still need a cause!
:)
2007-08-23 17:28:09 · update #1
Interesting folks....
First, Spiff asks a well thought out question, and the boards erupt in answers that appear to be "very deep" and the result of an abundant time spent in critical thinking.
Next...spiff writes a second question....takes the main part of everyone's objections...and makes his own response, which shows the flaws in the counter argumen (by the way, way to go).
But that's when I notice the responses to the second question no longer have as much intellectual intensity as the responses to the first (evidenced by the typical response referring to pink elephants and sandwiches). Which leaves me wondering, folks not used to having their "brilliance" shot down?
so now Spiff is continuing with a third wave of inquiry. I was sorta expecting the intellectual intensity to return to the responses. How disappointed I was to see they had dropped down, not just a notch or two, but in whole scale.
Which leaves me wondering....I do believe I'm seeing a pattern of ever decreasing brilliance in the responses to counter arguments.
2007-08-24 05:53:29 · answer #1 · answered by Last Stand 2010 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
God is a Pink Elephant.
2007-08-24 00:24:07 · answer #2 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
Applying the first cause argument as evidence that a god must exist is not the same thing as using it to offer evidence that YOUR god exists. Assuming that the argument of first cause is completely valid and completely true, it would only be an argument for theism, not Christianity in particular. You would still have to provide evidence that the first cause version of god is that of the Bible, and that Jesus was the Messiah, etc. etc.
The only definition of "god" as offered by the first cause argument is that "god" was the first thing that existed, that it lasts forever, and that it has will. In those terms, nearly all theistic versions of "god" are still valid.
2007-08-24 00:30:25 · answer #3 · answered by N 6 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Yeah. You can't very well say a stick of Old Spice deodorant created the universe, can you? Its funny atheists think pink elephants refute the existence of a deity.
2007-08-24 00:30:03 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
nothing is perfect and nothing last forever but if reality is not your bag make up the most comforting things you can comceive of and call then god . it's easy to argue when it's invisible and magic also.it just won't help in the real world that takes something more substantial first like the truth . but you can adapt the truth to fit your concept of god if you have any imagination ...
If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts.
Albert Einstein
2007-08-24 00:35:03 · answer #5 · answered by dogpatch USA 7 · 0⤊ 1⤋
You still haven't shown that god (making the wild assumption that such a being exists) does not have a dependent existence. You may well postulate that, but that's a long way from proving your point.
2007-08-24 00:27:20 · answer #6 · answered by ? 6 · 1⤊ 1⤋
"a pink elephant or a ham sandwich"
ridiculous. everyone knows it was the sneeze of the great green arkleseizure that began the universe.
2007-08-24 00:27:12 · answer #7 · answered by vorenhutz 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Another first cause could be the Flying Spaghetti Monster!
Look up Pastafarianism and I'm sure you'll be satisfied.
2007-08-24 00:25:24 · answer #8 · answered by JapAmerican 3 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Your god is just as imaginary as pink elephants - you just won't see it.
2007-08-24 00:27:18 · answer #9 · answered by Brent Y 6 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Yeah...what cause do pink elephants have exactly?
2007-08-24 00:24:11 · answer #10 · answered by KS 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋