but jesus once told i m my fathers son but i& god is but 1.
what does that mean.
im asking the protestents why are they discarding this belief, whats the logic behind discarding trinity.
2007-08-23 06:11:12 · 7 answers · asked by Rick C 1 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
There is no such thing as a biblical Trinity.
To quote....
Despite the protests of trinitarians, their doctrine inevitably leads to a practical form of tritheism.
We believe that trinitarianism is not a biblical doctrine and that it contradicts the Bible in many ways. The Scriptures do not teach a trinity of persons. The doctrine of the trinity uses terminology not used in Scripture. It teaches and emphasizes plurality in the Godhead while the Bible emphasizes the oneness of God. It detracts from the fulness of Jesus Christ's deity. It contradicts many specific verses of Scripture. It is not logical. No one can understand or explain it rationally, not even those who advocate it. In short, trinitarianism is a doctrine that does not belong to Christianity.
We see that the doctrine of the trinity is nonbiblical both in terminology and in historical origin. It has its roots in polytheism, pagan religion, and pagan philosophy. The doctrine itself did not exist in church history before the third century. Even at that time, early trinitarians did not accept many basic doctrines of present day trinitarianism such as the co-equality and co-eternality of Father and Son. Trinitarianism did not achieve dominance over Oneness belief until around 300. It did not achieve victory over Arianism until the late 300's.
The first official recognition of trinitarian doctrines came at the Council of Nicea in 325, but even this was incomplete. Full establishment of the doctrine did not come until the Council of Constantinople in 381. In short, trinitarianism did not achieve its present form until the end of the fourth century, and its definitive creeds did not take final form until the fifth century.
Isaiah 9:6 calls the Son the everlasting Father. Jesus is the Son prophesied about and there is only one Father (Malachi 2:10; Ephesians 4:6), so Jesus must be God the Father.
Isaiah prophesied that the Messiah would be called Immanuel, that is, God with us (Isaiah 7:14 Matthew 1:22-23).
According to Acts 20:28, the church was purchased with God's own blood, namely the blood of Jesus.
Paul described Jesus as "the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" (Titus 2:13; NIV has "our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ").
Peter described Him as "God and our Saviour Jesus Christ" (II Peter 1:1; NIV and TAB both have "our God and Savior Jesus Christ").
Colossians 2:9 proclaims that all the fulness of the Godhead dwells in Jesus. The Godhead includes the role of Father, so the Father must dwell in Jesus.
God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory" (I Timothy 3:16; see verse 15 for further confirmation that God is the subject of verse 16). God was manifest (made visible) in flesh; God was justified (shown to be right) in the Spirit; God was seen of angels; God was believed on in the world; and God was received up into glory. How and when did all of this happen? In Jesus Christ.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… And the Word was made flesh…" (John 1:1, 14). Literally, the Word (God) was tabernacled or tented in flesh. When did God tabernacle or robe Himself in flesh? In Jesus Christ. Both verses of Scripture prove that Jesus is God - that He is God manifest (revealed, made known, made evident, displayed, shown) in flesh.
In John 14:7 Jesus told His disciples, "If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him." Upon hearing this statement, Philip requested, "Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us" (John 14:8). In other words, he asked that Jesus show them the Father and then they would be satisfied. Jesus' answer was, "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that I am in the Father and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake" (John 14:9-11). This statement goes far beyond a relationship of agreement; it can be viewed as nothing less that the claim of Christ to be the Father manifested in flesh. Like many people today, Philip had not comprehended that the Father is an invisible Spirit and that the only way a person could ever see Him would be through the person of Jesus Christ.
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2007-08-23 06:24:58 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 1⤋
Christ is one with the Father in purpose (and in truth) because they have the same motivation. We seek guidance to find the motivation within us to be at one with the purpose of Christ as well. If we find this motivation then we'll realize that we were always from God since before the beginning and we will always be with God, for like Christ we are one with God. The motivation is the Holy Spirit which tells us all things. God isn't trinity. God is everyone from God. Trinity is a concept created to keep the accomplishments of Jesus out of reach from his followers, which proves it isn't from God. Gods will is that we all awaken to the full power of Christ through the Holy Spirit.
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2007-08-23 06:23:05 · answer #2 · answered by gnosticv 5 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I don't know who you heard from. It isn't a trend where I am that Christians are abandoning the Trinity as a concept of the nature of God.
I myself am a Protestant.
The Trinity is the concept that God is one, but three persons. It was not something made up, but something that was derived from the Bible axiomatically. If you know where to look, the Bible reveals God as one, but with three distinctive 'parts' or 'persons'. It would be as if I compared my skin, my opinion, and my spirit as being three separate parts of me, yet they all make me what I am.
2007-08-23 06:22:23 · answer #3 · answered by Christian Sinner 7 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I haven't heard about them discarding it, but maybe the name is too misleading for some in that it sounds polytheistic. I doubt they are denying the actual concept it attempts to explain: the Divinity of Jesus & the Holy Spirit & their oness with God (we cannot fully understand this). If they were, I'm sure I would have heard about it.
2007-08-23 06:31:10 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 0⤋
The Trinity is the daddy, the Son, and the Holy Spirit...all area of the only living God. I attend mass a week (i'm Catholic) and a minimum of Catholics at the instant are not taking away the Trinity. it is the inspiration of what Christians have faith in.
2016-10-09 02:41:39 · answer #5 · answered by ? 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
I dont discard it I embrace it. It is clear from the Bible that God is a triune being, just as we are.
God - Son - Spirit
Body -Mind- Soul.
2007-08-23 06:18:10 · answer #6 · answered by Cookyduster 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
The Trinity was decided at the Council of Nicea in 325CE. That's why they have one. Look it up. "Trinity" is nowhere in the bible.
2007-08-23 06:14:50 · answer #7 · answered by Justsyd 7 · 2⤊ 1⤋