I am an atheist that grew up as the son of a pastor of a very large and influential Presbyterian church, and I've struggled with these issues for many years. I've had many great, productive debates with my father, who studied with the world's greatest theologians at Princeton.
And when it comes down to it, of course we don't know. We won't know until we're dead, and that's if we're lucky. What we CAN do is try to talk openly and honestly about how we can make our lives better, and how we can make a better, more peaceful and proseperous world.
The biggest questions have to be answered with or without God, and since he hasn't given any irrefutable advice, we have to rely on intelligent, informed debate about the real issues affecting us today.
And I'm well-versed in the Bible, the same Book (Leviticus) that condemnes homosexuality uses the same language to describe eating shellfish, while condoning slavery and child murder.
2007-08-22 06:54:03
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answered by Benjamin J 1
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Religious people are religious because they are either terribly afraid of having no meaning or terribly afraid of finding out that something that has been a part of their lives since they can remember is a lie. They want there to be a God. That's why they argue so religiously (pun!) about the subject.
Atheists tend to realize the many negative effects of religion on society after they become atheists and argue religiously over it in vague hopes of trying to make the world a better place. That or they're just arrogant. Either way they're probably right, but that's beside the point.
Now, I'm a live and let live person, and think that everyone should be able to practice whatever religion they want (or none at all).
However, the debate is never going to cease due to the religious peoples' belief that what they think is what everyone should think and the non-religious peoples' belief that they shouldn't in addition to both groups feeling like the other group should come to their respective sides... It's all ridiculous really. People need to start minding their own business.
2007-08-22 08:24:37
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answered by Jo'Dan 3
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Good for you for being open and honest about your beliefs. I believe that everyone has the right to believe what they want and how strongly they want to devote themselves to whatever their cause is. I also agree that both sides should not be trying to shove it down everyone elses throat. Personaly I do believe in evolution however I do believe that there may be some form of god. I also think however that everyone worships the same god reguardless of the shape each religion gives their god. I also thing that atheists have a good amount of ground to stand on. They have their reasons why they dont believe and that is certainly fine with me as well. My thoughts may not match up with too many other people but I do have to say that you have a very bold and valid point here and I find myself agreeing with you for the most part. Good luck and thank you for your honest insight.
2007-08-22 06:57:23
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answered by shadowsthathunt 6
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You come off as rather rude for someone who says there is no need to prove something is true or not....
People are obsessed because it means thousands of years of history will either go down the drain as meaningless violence, or "believers'" hypothesis will be strongly reinforced.
I am anti-theist, but I am not going to go swearing up and down a wall that the big bang is real or homosexuality is a sin.
Though I would like you to explain why you feverently believe on the same level as an atheist in religion itself and the bible used a tool for implementation of self-righteous brutality. But cannot accept that human-life might just be a big accident. Isn't that being close-minded? Maybe a little religious fundie?
Maybe that's the big part of this whole war; Human life and it's relevance. How do you think abunch of folks who believe a devine force created them, and gave them purpose would feel if they found out they were useless piles of random matter with no real reason or purpose in life other than to live then die?
2007-08-22 07:03:46
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answered by Anonymous
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Christianity is unavoidably offensive! It's awesome like that. Always has been and will be.
"i believe religion is inspired by god but that doesnt mean that the society in biblical times wasnt corrupt and biased - it was."
Read the bible if you think it says that society in biblical times wasn't corrupt. You'll find it doesn't say that at all.
"and i dont believe religion was ever meant to be as organized and hypocritical as it is today. "
Nope, but we're humans. Church is important to Christianity. It's "the bride of Christ" and shouldn't as a whole be tossed aside because of it's imperfections. That would be the easy way to deal with church but it's not the best one.
2007-08-22 07:03:29
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answered by uncanny me 2
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The answer. People can't or do not want to empathize with someone else. People prefer to think of themselves first and people rarely try to understand someone else's perspective.
This all being the case, when someone holds a view that basically says, your wrong, people are offended by that view and do not want to explore it's merits, because we are cowards when it comes to testing our own beliefs.
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Am I an atheist? I learned long ago to never say never, excluding a possibility because it makes "common sense" assumes too much to me. Because their is a lack of evidence, that does not mean that something is not possible, it could just mean the evidence has not been found you.
Am I religious? I don't believe in a judge in the sky. I don't believe in something with arbitrary laws and just tests people because it is sadistic and has a power trip. If it is sadistic and has a power trip, then send me to hell because I do not want to deal with the dammed thing!
What do I believe god is? The universe and we are all part of god, the greater whole.
2007-08-22 09:27:18
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answered by The law is a form of tyranny. 4
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The thing is, people are scared of death. No one knows what happens in the afterlife - do we simply fall asleep and dream? Do we shut down and rot in the ground? Do our souls rise up out of our bodies? No one really knows for sure.
The belief in God offers people hope and salvation. It gives them something to look forward to after this life, which is often short and somewhat worthless. It makes all their good deeds and going to church and praying seems worth it. And it also gives them guidelines to live by (the bible), since people need to follow rules and can't seem to figure things out on their own.
No one can say if there is or isn't a God for a fact, they can just have a belief or theory. It's their personal opinion based on their life experiences. Personally, I think everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I definitely agree with you that it is not their right to force or influence another in any way.
2007-08-22 06:57:30
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answered by orchid_blossom83 2
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It is natural for the human to want to know. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be exploring space, or our oceans.
Also, some people don't share your same ability where it comes to faith and find themselves unable to understand or let go of the need to know for themself.
Another reason, fear. Faith not being enough, they find themselves fearful. Therefore they feel they must find proof of some sort so they can believe.
Many people desperately want to believe but just can't for one reason or another.
It's hard to deny science.
It's hard to deny the absolute precision that would seem impossible without divine intervention.
It's an old debate, one I don't see ending until Christ does come back. And even then, some people would find a way to not believe.
2007-08-22 09:10:08
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answered by Shelly W 2
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I know. It sounds like I could have written this question. We had a young nurse who was very religious and came to me one day stating he had scientific proof that God exists. I looked at him like-really? I've never felt the need to have proof that God exists. For me-all I have to do is look at the mountains and the sky and the canyons in Utah. This is enough for me. I told the young nurse this and he was very disappointed. He wanted to go around with the scientific proof. I dont know why it's so important to some people. It just is. Just the same as-I know God exists. I dont have to prove it to anyone. It's really up to them to prove God doesnt exist and so far-no one has.
2007-08-22 09:07:33
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answered by phlada64 6
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People cant accept that just maybe when we die we shut off like a computer. They cant live knowing this is it, Because then they would feel guilty for not living there life more fullfilling.
They want a accuse to judge and point the finger.
It comes down to fear. Religion is fear based. Like it or not denie it or accept it. I do believe there is more than this but I have experienced it im not religius and dont go to church. I dont believe in god, Just energy and spirits.
2007-08-22 06:56:09
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answered by J Bird 3
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