Is the US Military preparing for defeat in Iraq?

Question

The British and other troops are being heavily criticised. The Iraqi government is being heavily criticised. US deaths are climbing.

Hardly a sign of good military or civilian leadership is it? It definitely is not pulling people together is it? In fact it is making the situation even more untenable!!!

What a gift to the insurgents!

Seems to be a build up of "it is everyone elses fault" and perhaps the first real indication that the battle is lost. How sad that if this happens history will recall how the US turned on it's allies and even the government of Iraq that it put in power just to cover their defeat!

Answer 1

well you have hit it on the head my friend. the us military is a fine military. however.the leadership is as inept as i have ever seen , no plan no policy. and most of all no inteligence anywere. i mean intelectual intelegenge.

the war was lost has been lost cant be won. when the USA is forced to run the will have a sudden change of policy called cut and run, this they will call a win.

i serverd for 25 years in the us army and belive me when i say the usa got its *** kicked in NAM. the policy of "overthrough" in the USA today is like ancient Greese and Rome and great britton. in a smaller more modern world the USA will soon realise its word means nothing , it cant be trusted.

most of all the sadest part is the peolpe of the world will consider the USA to be a place of no honour. sadly they will say that america has no honour and most will say everyone in the US is that way. that is wrong the American people are a very honourable lot. Very good people,

it is the goverment that is criminal and dishonest to the very core. the war in Iraq is lost i just hope they dont take us here in the UK down with them. i hope our new PM is smart enough to get out now and STOP KISSING BUSH's BUTT. in order to get his table scraps. this shames all of us here in the UK

Answer 2

"Defeat", if that is the right word, in Iraq is inevitable. Like Vietnam & Northern Ireland you cannot defeat the enemy you cannot identify.

The Iraqi people cannot "pull together" they are too wrapped up in their religious sects to actually form a working Government based on democracy.

Like Afghanistan most of those carrying out the attacks are in fact from outside the country and there is an inexhaustible supply of those willing to sacrifice their lives to meet Allah.

The situation in Basra is now untenable since the Iraqi army, largely infitrated by insurgents, took over the majority of the city and British troops are under daily attack. To retake the City would be impossible without incurring major casualties as the insurgents are now well entrenched within the community. The problem now facing British commanders is how to withdraw without major losses due to the proximity of the enemy.

Basra must be held. It is the only route available for the withdrawal of US forces in the North. The question is - at what cost?

Answer 3

Well it's already lost - unless you call being confined to compounds a victory. So all the spin is preparing the game of pass the buck.

When will modern super-powers learn they can't win against civil insurgencies - Afghan, Nam, suez, Afghan, kazak, yugoslavia, estonia, somalia, Afghan, Iraq, . They can however win when they support civil uprisings. Big bombs, TV, hoHah, and a sensitivity to body counts don't win against a wronged people - and rightly or wrongly people do on occaission feel they have been wronged (bombing the cr4p out of them and killing their loved ones tends to do this). So yes - Big guys 0pts (lots of penalties) locals 99.

America will go home leaving an appalling mess behind and v likely set of a second set of dominos - this time Islamic rather than communist. The insurgency will spread and over-run Saudi.

What do you think the $9billion free arms to Egypt, Israel and Saudi last month had to do with? Yup the US leaving the region and letting the local handle the mess - which is what should have been done before it turned into a cauldron of cr4p. It was the way of the Pax-Athens and other empires that kept a peace, and if you look at history you will see that empires thrive when intervention is indirect. They become unstable from the economic and social pressures following direct interventions - and failure can be disastrous at home as well as abroad. We got lucky post Nam - It won't be so easy this time.


" maybe if the US stopped illegally overthrowing leaders and murdering millions of innocent women and children in the process just because [ there is a ] head baboon in the white house [ who wants to out do Daddy] and pillage as much of the worlds resources as he can to keep his megarich buddies megarich and most of the rest of the world poor, iraq wouldnt be in such a mess. "

As I heard elsewhere today - if we wanna stop being dependent on foreign oil we should drill more in the US -
hahaha - same as Jeb saying
I want the US to be less dependent on Columbian crack - SO we're gonna grow and process it right here in Florida,

Answer 4

People say how much of a mess the Bush admin has made in Iraq and what a disaster it is but the unpalatable truth (and I will probably get thumbed down like crazy now) is that they WANT chaos in that region, it gives them an excuse to stay there. From their point of view everything is actually going according to plan.

This isn't a war, it is an invasion of a sovereign country - we were never over there to 'find WMDs' or 'liberate the Iraqi people', it is about certain people in the US govt wanting to get a foothold in the Middle East so they can dominate the region and fight Israel's enemies as well.

Permanent US military bases are being built there, so for those who want to see us leave Iraq (me included) - bad news, it's not gonna happen. We aren't leaving. Possibly ever. They are even considering bringing the draft back now!

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QUECGG1&show_article=1

Answer 5

None. the US has the superb equipped militia contained in the international. Oh, there are some which would be extra effective in one way or yet another (the Israeli AF is asserted to be the superb knowledgeable contained in the international yet don't have close to the numbers of the USAF or army) China? no way. Their kit is 2d fee and technologically quite a few generations in the back of the western international. Plus they are no longer almost besides knowledgeable and that they've been lowering the dimensions of their military for quite a few years now. Russia? See my comments on China above. ordinary fact is not any different united states can tournament up soldier for soldier, tank for tank, jet for jet. the US militia is likewise very experienced. After almost 10 years of war there is particularly some adventure interior the militia and adventure is a stress multiplier. united states of america's squaddies understand what to do in a combat. there are in basic terms a hand crammed with international places that have that style of adventure and we heavily isn't going to war against Britain, Holland, Poland, or any of our different allies.

Answer 6

The U.S. Congress is preparing for defeat, not the military. However, as much as I hate to see us leave the country in total chaos, I do not want to see my son and other young men put at risk for an Iraqi government that cannot get its act together. A failure in Iraq is the failure of the people and government of Iraq, not the U.S military.

Answer 7

David, the Iraqi foothold in the middle east is too important for the US to give up. I would say they're building a case for war with Iran. I truly hope it doesn't come to this but that's the world we live in now.

Global oil production has peaked. Every country is now feeling the crunch of less and less energy supplies. In times past when two tribes experienced a diminishing supply of resources, they would almost always go to war. This is why we're there. To secure the oil for the west, at best or keep anyone else from getting it (specifically China) at worst.

Answer 8

well if you call deploying thousands more troops preparing for defeat then get back in your armchair general, too many civilians think just because the first gulf war was over in 4 days that this one should be wrapped up quickly as well.
and as for deaths i suppose your one of those who thinks that soldiers never die in war they just fall over for the camera and then get up afterwards.
iraq was never going to be easy from the kick off you may or may not have your own conclusions on the right to enter iraq however at the end of the day a dictator was opposed and ousted and now the country is in a revolt those who wanted him out want power whilst those who didnt are fighting to try and retake control.
if america does pull out they will be a sad loss however our guys are on their own in the helmand in afgan and their doing the job so the ones in iraq will be just fine.

thank you for your patriotism to your country and our servicemen and women.

Answer 9

It would be a bit late if they are - they lost the day they overthrew Saddam Hussein and kicked off the utterly predictable sectarian violence. Still never mind, US oil companies have got their hands on Iraqi oil now - well worth over half a million deaths, as Madeleine Albright would say.

Answer 10

It won't be anything different for the US.They need a rethink on
how their troops are trained.Go the way of British in how to treat
the pubic.But discount Grenada(shambles)and count how many it did good for.Let alone win.