What's Paul the Apostle got against victims of pedophilia?

Question

OK.. so maybe my last question was a little cryptic for y'all since every answer avoided it entirely... My apologies if you suffer from a dejavu...

There us a reference I have seen in the New Testament is in Corinthians 6:9 but therein the reference is not to "homosexuals" per say but to the "Catamite"....

Now.... "what's a catomite" I thought ... and.... well as far as I can figure a Catomite is word with latin origins that means the younger partner in a pederastic relationship between two males. Now this strikes a particular discord with me ... That is, a Catomite refers exclusively to an act of pedophilia ... but more interestingly Paul condemns not the adult perpetrator in this text ... but the adolescent little boy!

So, if you can make sense of that morality then please explain it to me 'cause I can assure you that if there is a god of any kind, for my god... it's the pedophiles that ought be excluded from paradise and not the little boys. What's your take on that text

The text expressly sanctions the little boy. Please explain it!

By sanction .. I mean prohibits him from the kingdom of heaven!

I have no hatred for anyone, thankyou. Well there is one person.. but he will rot in prison.

My king james version Cor 6:9 - 10 says: Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor catamites, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God"

So am I such a hater of Jesus? Or are you a judge of men?

Don't fuss Sweet Suzy .. I think you just misunderstood the question a little and you dont deserve to be vilified like that by your peers.

{{{Sea Eagle}}}

Answer 1

I do not have all my reference books at hand to take me to the original language used, which with Paul, one of the most educated of the time, would have likely been either Greek or possibly Hebrew. I can assure you after many years of skeptical study from one translation to another and comparing to the original language used, that at no time did any follower of Christ condone the practice of using a child for sex. Has there been a scandal in recent years related to a church covering up such abuse and transfering such men to unsuspecting new victims? Yes, one only has to watch the news to see that this was done. Maybe a RCC member can speak up on this matter, because of their ability to orally pass on what is not written. I have no remedy for that.There are no condemned children, regardless of what was done to them. If foolish man has figured out that children are always the victim, even if they were afraid to fight the deviate, certainly we can give God credit for not allowing such a verse to stand for these thousands of years. I am sorry my friend, but you will have to show me, and be sure I will get the proper translation to you. You have been given several undisputed verses that give God's heart on any harm to children by anybody.We are admonished to not even provoke them unecessarily, He would never have overlooked the preservation of the innocence of a child. I understand your distress at even thinking such a thing was condoned. Trust me on this until I rest my bones and get out my trusty reference books. I stand unprepared because of packing certain bools away during remodeling. That is, as my late father would have said, an excuse, not a reason. I apologize.

Answer 2

At the time of Paul there was only one group that had a belief in Jesus. I am pretty sure that the term "Christians" had not even been coined then. In Paul's time there were many people who would preach a variety of philosophies or religious thoughts, some known as ethicists and rhetoricists, and tried to make a living that way. Some of them would adopt new ideas and incorporate these into their teaching depending on how profitable these ideas were. For that reason, there was the possibility that unorthodox ideas would be introduced into the teaching. They might also claim that they heard Jesus speak and had a right to profit from his message. But even early on, the Apostles selected by Christ attempted to control the doctrine of Christ and wanted only people they had approved of to spread the Word. Read Acts of the Apostles for examples of the Apostles sending people out to spread the Word.

Answer 3

It may be an different interpretation on your part, but I will answer with an answer I posted to your other Q:

I will attempt to answer that, as my husband is a molest victim and now survivor. He now knows that none of the molest was his fault, but he spent most of his life into adulthood *thinking* it was. Let me explain. The organic, physiological response to molest is very complex and requires dissection. Upon many years of regression therapy and inner child healling, we found out that molest triggers a multitude of emotions that a child cannot possibly process. Its almost as if the child's emotional wiring becomes overloaded with feelings only a mature person could handle. For instance, when s*nsual excitement is introduced to a pre-pubescant child, those feelings are processed differently than to a fully mature adult. The hippothymus part of the CNS become stunned and overwhelmed, effectively shutting down the ability to mature and develop appropriate sexual feelings. In essense, molested children grow up with dysfunctional emotional and sexual wiring. The natural response to inappropriate boundary violation (like molest and incest) is toxic shame. However, a victim's brain has been wired such to seek more of the feeling the shame (which has now been enmeshed with s*nsual pleasure) and grows up not knowing that this mode of operandi is very destructive. The feelings transpire into acting out behaviors that ulltimately inhibit normal development of intimate and platonic relationships. To be blunt, if there is no psychiatric or spiritual intervention, the victim inadvertantly becomes a predator due to the fact that the coping mechanisms wired in the brain are a direct response to the molest.

What I think Paul is suggesting that the victim or "Catomite" should seek intervention to prevent the propogation of the initial pedophilic abuse. Spiritual intervention is implied. By propogation, again, I state with firm belief that a victim will turn into a predator if he/she does not seek help to shut down the dysfunctional coping mechanisms that mimic and mirror the pedophilic behavior.

I will save my dissertation and my husband's testimony at another time. I am not sure if this answered your question.

Peace and blessings always!

Answer 4

1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

The verse means exactly this sex outside of marriage is fornication. All sex outside the bonds of matrimony is sin.
Sex without consent is rape. It does not say a victim of child abuse is a sinner nor the victim of a rape is a sinner.

Answer 5

I won't touch that, Icy, but I have something you need to know...

There are 10 types of people in the world: those who understand binary, and those who don't.

Paul the Apostle was just obeying God. Talk to God about it. it's all covered in His best seller!

Answer 6

Oh yes Sweet Suzy 777!! Because ALL children have the ability to choose not to be molested! Oh... my... some one should tell them all they have to do is tell the grown up molesting them "No." And they'll stop! Oh wait... That's right! No doesn't always work... in fact, it usually doesn't.

Answer 7

I looked--that is NOT what my KJV says in either 1st or 2nd Corinthians. 6:9.

Answer 8

Paul was an apostle? Guess I'd better reread my Bible.

Answer 9

You are greatly mistaken. Your hatred for the Lord blinds you to His truth.

The word for "effeminate" is the Greek "malakos" which can mean all the following:

1) soft, soft to the touch

2) metaph. in a bad sense

a) effeminate

1) of a catamite

2) of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man

3) of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness

4) of a male prostitute

YOU prefer it to mean in this passage 1&2 but look at 3&4. Both these fit the context FAR BETTER than either 1 or 2.

STOP PUTTING WORDS IN FATHER GOD'S MOUTH THAT HE NEVER SAID!

HERE IS HOW FATHER GOD FEELS ABOUT HIS SMALL CHILDREN:


Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

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Mar 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

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Luk 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.


GET OVER IT HATER OF GOD!

Answer 10

They can choose not to do it.