no logic behind atheism?

Question

since many atheists seem to base their beliefs on the lack of logic in the idea of there being a God, i wanted to post this question.

atheists claim that their beliefs are the only logical ones, but they still fail to come up with an answer for where humans, all other life, and our universe materialized from -- the laws of physics don't allow something to come from nothing. people say "but then where did God come from?" well, people who believe in a God generally also believe he created everything -- the laws of physics among them. therefore he would've created them after he came into existence, so they weren't in place when he did come into existence.

this is not in support of necessarily a christian god, but rather a God in general. if one was to base their religion on logic, it seems to me no beliefs, including atheism are completely logical. however, theistic beliefs have the most logic behind them.

lastly, if God's existence was so obvious, there'd be no point in faith.

your thoughts?

Answer 1

Yes, but we don't claim to offer easy answers. Nor do we accept ones that don't have any evidenciary support.

Logic isn't a pre-requisit. Only disbelief in gods is a pre-requisit.

Answer 2

So you are saying that because so far science hasn't found all the answers that the only logical thing is to believe that an omnipotent being must have created everything, right? That is truly no more logical then realizing that we do not know or understand everything about science yet, but that the lack of knowledge doesn't mean that there is a God . Because there is so much that is still unknown, belief in a God or not is just a personal belief that is based on ones own life experience, education, parenting and how their mind computes that information.

Answer 3

I'm not well enough versed in the big bang theory to explain it, however since there is quite a bit of proof for it happening and there is absolutely none for any deity, it is the only logical explanation. Just to be clear there is no question about the fact that we evolved or that the universe appears to have started in a singularity. (Humans and all other life did not just "materialize").

Let's look at your assertion that since the deity existed before it created the rule that something can't come from nothing, then during the "time" before that rule was made, something like the deity and other things could come from nothing, other things being multiple deities, or singularities or quarks.... Wait... we now once again have a situation that shows that if a deity exists, then it's not needed to form the universe. I'd say that your logic needs a bit of work.

Answer 4

"The laws of physics don't allow something to come from nothing."

A more correct thing to say is that matter can come from energy. Also, a pure vacuum (one without anything at all) is a higher energy state than one with matter, so the pure vacuum decays into one with matter. At least, this is one possibility.

In your argument, you are essentially using what is called a 'conservation law': the amount of matter at one time is that same as at a later time. The actual conservation law is much more subtle than that. First of all, it involves both mass and energy. Second, in an expanding universe, the conservation law only holds locally. Third, and perhaps more damaging to your case, it compares things at two different times. But, if time starts at some point (and that is a what general relativity predicts), there is no 'before' to compare to. So the conservation law is upheld even though everything 'springs' into existence at some time.

One big problem in your argument is that you assume that there is a way, method, or process that allows God to 'create' laws of physics, the universe, etc. This way is, in itself, a law of physics, so God could not have made *all* the laws of physics. So your position is less logical.

Answer 5

a theist needs to have everything explained to them, like the origin of humanity. they have the need 'know' that they are 'special' and that they were created instead of just being the end result. Personally, i am here. how i got here is irrelevant and where I am going after death is irrelevant...

why is the belief that humanity is the only intelligent life in the universe logical? if that is so why create anything but the earth and one star???

god, religion, its all a way to explain that was unexplainable. now in the age of science it is getting harder for the theists to stick to the stories they KNOW could not have happened. like a man being swallowed by a fish. no fish is able to perform the task as described in the bible, yet you still cling to the story as FACT. that's why we see more and more 'because god said so' or 'its in the bible' as an answer. fundies simply cant handle not being 'special' or unique and the stronger the faith the more need you have to be told so...

Answer 6

Atheism, in its broadest sense, is the absence of belief in the existence of deities. A narrower definition includes only those who believe that deities do not exist, and excludes those who hold no position on the question (see agnostics and other non-theists). In other words, an "atheist" can be defined as either: A person who does not believe that at least one god exists; or A person who believes that no god or gods exist. Although some atheists tend toward skepticism and secular philosophies such as humanism, naturalism, and materialism, there is no system of philosophy which all atheists share, nor does atheism have institutionalized rituals or behaviors. For example, while many atheists reject the existence of the supernatural, others do not. You can talk to some of the so called Dravidians of India (Tamilnadu) Karunanidhi and his part members - they all talk atheism elobrately in purblic but pray good in their houses.

Answer 7

Speaking "logically", if we refer to Ochum's (I've likely mutilated the spelling of that ) Razor, we find that the most likely answer is most often the correct one. In agreement with your mention of the laws of physics., if we are conversing scientifically, we didn't just "happen". Something had to bring about our existence. Generally, God is viewed as somehwat more omni-potent that human laws of science, so his existence is usually given as infinite that he had no creation.

Also, brava on the last line there, exceptional. Profound simplicity. If it were supposed to be easy it wouldn't be a struggle to get through life. If we want free will then the answer shouldn't be mapped out on the bill boards. The human mind needs the uncertainty of faith. Faith breaks the monotony of uniformity.

Answer 8

There are plenty of theories dealing with the origins of life and the universe. If you pick up a biology text book, you'd probably learn about some of them.

Okay, I'll agree with you -- science hasn't answered all the questions and filled in all the holes just yet. But they've done a pretty good job. And to say that just because we don't understand all the specifics yet doesn't mean we never will. To assume something like that is equivalent to standing around in 1940 and saying that we'd never learn the techniques to send a man on the moon.

As an atheist, its okay that I don't know EVERYTHING right now, because I have a pretty good idea. I keep an open mind based on new information as it comes in. And yes, to me -- that is the only logical point of view: to draw conclusions based on facts, and to be open-minded enough to alter those conclusions as more facts arrived. The only silly point of view is believing that you already know everything.

Answer 9

All I can say there is no point in anyone trying to know where the universe came from because no one will ever know. No one was there, though God seems like a way the universe could've been created there are many others, and I have no idea why I just said all that.

Answer 10

We don't need to know the answer to all of your questions since you keep emphasizing your God. We don't believe in gods. So however everything really happened, science will discover. We have belief in reason, science, facts and truth, not in imaginary gods without proof of existence, superstition or the supernatural.

atheist

Answer 11

logical, yes science is based on logic, and thinking, and testable ideas, it seems religion is the same ok lets see here

ok your saying that i think 'something from nothing' no, when did i say that, its obvious life came from somewhere, maybe space, maybe it formed here

god it seems created something from nothing did he not

'he made the laws of physics' ok i'll run with that, why then do they lead away from him then? when all the evidence is examined and what holy book claims that?

and where did god come from,

what are you on about