For Atheistic Big Bang Adherants, how do you explain from a scientific view point how the universe and time?

Question

itself created themselves from nothing, without an external cause (God). For if time itself didn't exist prior to the Big Bang, wouldnt that require somthing existing outside of time to initiate things? If not, doesn't that contradict science which tells us nothing can be in motion, unless something first puts it in motion?

Let me make it clear I am not anti science, I have no problem with the Big Bang or evolution. I just consider that logically there has to be a starting point - God

Answer 1

The idea that time did not exist before the big back is now considered archaic. The current theory is that the universe in a continuous cycle of expansion and contraction. To be more specific, the universe is made up of two 4-dimension branes (membranes) that move back and forth in a higher dimensional space. Each time the branes collide there is a "big bang." (Astrophysicist Neil DeGrasse Tyson has written more on this).

Basically the universe has no beginning (and God is irrelevant because the universe requires no creation). It has always been in existence, and always been in motion.

Answer 2

Don't know yet.... but the theory is called M Theory if you would actually like to read up on a current theory.

Have you came up with an explanation of how an invisible, unprovable being came to exist without an external cause? How is saying a god always existed any different (besides the fact you made up a "god" to fill the void of facts) than scientists saying that something existed before the universe but we aren't sure what yet? The only difference is we are courageous enough to admit to ourselves that we don't have all the answers whereas Theists need the "god" safety net to explain the unknown.

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Logic will tell you there had to be something before.....

Humility will tell you (if you'll listen) that we don't have enough information to state 'what came before' as if we actually know the truth. It will also tell you that the people that lived in earlier ages knew even LESS than we do and therefore all of their theories are suspect until tested (including your holy text).

Answer 3

You have a point there. There is absolutely no way of knowing anything before or outside time, much less before the big bang as time is only a human perspective of things and nothing else. It'll always be a mystery, but explaining it with something as unrelated to it as god is a bit misguided.

About nothing being unable to be put into motion without something putting it into motion, that is true, but since in this case it is infinite nothingness, it infinitely searches outwards and the energy created from it is infinite. That's the whole point of the big bang, infinite energy compressing, creating matter, and expanding.

Answer 4

So ..... can you please tell me, how was this so call external cause created if everything needs to be created?

Can you not think in the matter the universe is there all along? The big bang is just one of the THEORY?

You can think of an uncreated being which you cannot proof and yet cannot imagine an uncreated universe you are in?

These are logics based on your concept ..... now my answer on how the big bang comes about ..... seriously, I DON'T KNOW ..... If anyone does, do you think there will still be Theists running around saying god created the land, then modify it to the world, then modify it to earth, then now the universe?

Answer 5

First, neither science for the Big Bang theory make the claim that the universe spontaneouslyt appeard out on "nothing". Only Creationists make that claim.

Second, Quantum physics has theorized the existence of particles of matter that simply and spontaniously appear and vanish without cause or reason.

And no, nothing so far has required anything "outside of time or space" to exist at all...except in the imaginations of Creationists.

Answer 6

We haven't yet figured out the cause of the Big Bang. It is, however, entirely possible that the "stuff" of the Universe or the Multiverse (if there is one) has always just existed.

There is no need to think that everything had to be created at some point. If there was then god would be impossible, won't he?

Answer 7

Atheists have the intellectual honesty to admit that we do not have the answer to every question but we do refrain from inventing gods and demons to fill in the gaps.
As an example - In ancient times ( about the same time the bible was written) certain tribes thought that a solar eclipse was caused by their god swallowing the sun.
This can only be avoided by a human sacrifice declared the priests.
And ,of course , it always worked - the sun returned.
I think we know better now.
It's called scientific progress and takes generations.

Answer 8

Science without God is vanity. Theology without science is willing ignorance. If astronomy supports the big bang theory, why isn't the big bang theory consistent with Creation when God created the entire universe with a word in an instant?

Answer 9

i dont think we yet have an evidence based answer to this question, only theories. a lot of times more religious people simply insert god into any holes in science.

its like they find the parts that science hasn't yet explained, and say "that's where god comes in" but i dont think it's that simple. in all of the battles between science and religion, there has not been one that science hasn't triumphed over in the end. the parts that are unsolved now will one day be answered by science.

i think its the easy way out to just say there is a sentient being that created everything, and that's how it works. i dont know, but i'm not going to just say "god created it, that's the way it is" i want to keep finding out, and science seems the best way to go about it. maybe there is a god who created everything, but until science shows me some evidence, i dont know the answer, but i think there's more to it than just "god created it".

using your logic, if everything has to have something set in motion, wouldn't something have to have set God in motion too? like, something to do with science? i'm not trying to be offensive, i just want you to keep an open mind and think about all the aspects of what you're asking.

Answer 10

firstly, you are asking a question about astro-physics in the wrong forum. secondly, i don't believe anyone has suggested the big bang started from "nothing" nor that time did not exist prior. if you DID ask an astrophysicist, i'm sure they would present you with a few hypotheses and then explain that the answer is still as yet unknown... just as questions about the nature of particles and atoms and whatnot were at one time.