christians can you please get it straight? is god the father of christ or god , jesus and the dove are the...?

Question

same "entity"???
can someone be his own father?
wasnt it enough with father and child being the same "person" that they had to add the dove to confuse christians (and everyone else) more???
what is the use of the holy dove thing? isnt it enough with god?

Answer 1

Yes it is confusing. Not all Christians believe in the trinity. Your statement refers to that. The dove thing was an indication of God's holy spirit when Jesus was baptized, and later it was represented by fiery tongues at Pentecost. These were two very important events, the first was the anointing of Jesus Christ to fulfill his mission of preaching and sacrifice and the second was anointing and the gift of different languages bestowed upon the apostles to enable them to expand in the preaching work.

Can someone be his own father? Exactly my sentiments, because I do not believe in the trinity and I am a Christian. There is God the father, YHWH, commonly called Jehovah, and his son Jesus Christ. The holy spirit is God's active force.

The first chapter in the bible, the second verse states "The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. NKJV

The Hebrew word ru'ach and the Greek word pneu'ma from the root work pne'o means breathe or blow. This is the action that trinitarians describe as an entity or part of the triune God. It's origin is based from pagan religions well before the time of Christ. When Jesus says that he and the Father are one, he is indicating that they are of the same purpose. He uses the term in union with the Father and applys it to the apostles also.

Edit:
BrentY: I thought you were talking in tongues for a minute there. Very good!

Answer 2

Jesus is of God, but is not God the Father. He was given the fullness of the Godhead, having the Holy Spirit without measure. This in turn does not make it wrong to also call him God since he is the perfect will of the Father and does only that of the will of the Father.

Yet, so many try to make it seem as if Jesus is God the Father. This is not so.

In John 5:26, it says the Father gave the son life unto himself. Jesus is the beginning and end of our salvation. Before God created anything, he begat his Son, the Word, the quickening spirit. And by the Son and through the Son, all thing were created by the Father through the ministry of the Holy Spirit.

And if one looks in 1 Cor. 15:24-28, it is easy to see that there will come a time when the Son will relinquish over his authority back to the Father, for there can only be one God.

Answer 3

First off get the dove out of your head. In the bible it says that when Jesus was baptised by John the baptist that God desended in the form of a dove. Even Gods angels can take on the appearance of men. God is God or God the Father, the same entity. God the Son, Jesus is God in the form of a man. The third part of this is the Holy Ghost. This makes up the trinity of God the father, god the son and the holy ghost. As Bennie Hinn put it the holy ghost is the power in the trinity. If you are interested I suggest that you read his books GOOD Morning Holy Spirit. It is all too easy to get wrapped up in this. But just like salvation this can be remedied by believing in God and asking him. I use to wonder why the word says that if you believe and say to younder mountain be though removed and not doubt that it would be done. Its harder to doubt than to give your trust in the one and only true God.

Answer 4

You are surely confused. Let me try to clear things up for ya. God =3persons in one Godhead; the Father, the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. The three make up the Godhead, yet they are seperate persons.
God made Himself man and came to earth, Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit is the gift we have if we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. The Holy Spirit dwells within us, as Christians. He (The Holy Spirit) comes with gifts, or "fruits" of the Spirit, which we receive when we are given the gift of the Holy Spirit. Jesus is FULLY GOD &FULLY MAN. They were all three here from the beginning, and will always be. (eternal)
If you have a Bible, Read John 1:1-5 Keep in mind that Jesus is called the "Word" and the "Word made Flesh"
Jesus said "I and the Father are One"
Jesus said "If you have seen Me, you have seen the Father,also."
Jesus is God in the Flesh.
The dove you speak of is simply a representation of the Holy Spirit.

Answer 5

I'm no Bible scholar, but I'm PRETTY sure the dove is NOT the third entity of the triun God, the trinity, the Godhead. Say it with me:

1. Father
2. Son
3. Holy spirit

In the beginning there was ONLY God the father, but when He made man, He indwelled us with His spirit. When the world was overcome with depravity, He gave us His son, which as a man IS a creation of God, but ... Jesus is made up of the same spiritual properties of God. Some say that Jesus is "God made man."

If you'll stop mocking what you don't know for a bit, you might actually learn something. AND you might find that you are no longer on the express lane to God's eternal wrath.

Answer 6

Heavenly Father is the One True God. He has all power and Authority.

Jesus Christ is the Son of the Father in the Flesh as well as the spirit (we are all spirit children of our Heavenly Father). He is the Creator (having been given the power and authority and direction by The Father to do so) He is the redeemer of the world...the Messiah...the advocate...and so much more. Because of His resurrection we know that He has a body of Flesh and Bone just like His Father.

The Holy Ghost is the 3rd member of the Godhead. He is spirit only. He is the Comforter and Testifier. He testifies of the Father and the Son in all things as well as the truth of all things to all those that will open their eyes to see and their ears to listen.

The three make up the Godhead. All deriving their power from the Father...their authority from the Father...their Guidance from the Father. They are all ONE in purpose, to bring about the immortality and eternal life of man.

Answer 7

There is God the Father
God the Son
and God the Holy Spirit.

ONE God, expressed in three personalities. The dove is just a representation of the spirit, not it's true shape (as it probably doesn't have one).

Just because you don't understand the nature of the Trinity doesn't mean it isn't the Truth. You think of things in terms of HUMAN genetics, and cannot begin to fathom the nature of God.

Answer 8

The members of the Godhead are three separate beings. The Father and the Son (Jesus Christ, he Firstborn of the Father, the Only Begotten Son in the flesh) have tangible bodies of flesh and bones, and the Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit.

Although the members of the Godhead are distinct beings with distinct roles, they are one in purpose and doctrine. They are perfectly united in bringing to pass Heavenly Father's divine plan of salvation.

The true doctrine of the Godhead was lost in the apostasy that followed the Savior's mortal ministry and the deaths of His Apostles. For the most part, these creeds—the most famous of which is the Nicene Creed—were canonized in the fourth and fifth centuries a.d. following centuries of debate about the nature of the Godhead. Consequently, it is highly questionable whether these creeds reflect the thinking or beliefs of the New Testament church.

The exact theological definition of the doctrine of the Trinity was the result of a long process of development, which was not complete until the fifth century, or maybe even later. To insist that a belief in the Trinity is requisite to being Christian, is to acknowledge that for centuries after the New Testament was completed thousands of Jesus’ followers were in fact not really ‘Christian.’ ”

Answer 9

It is straight. Christ, Truth, is God's Son. Jesus is the man God endowed with the Christ so that you and I could find our way out. Forget the dove. Maybe you are thinking of lamb.

Answer 10

Christ, according to the faith, is the second person in the Trinity, the Father being the first and the Holy Ghost the third. Each of these three persons is God. Christ is his own father and his own son. The Holy Ghost is neither father nor son, but both. The son was begotten by the father, but existed before he was begotten -- just the same before as after. Christ is just as old as his father, and the father is just as young as his son. The Holy Ghost proceeded from the Father and Son, but was equal to the Father and Son before he proceeded, that is to say, before he existed, but he is of the same age of the other two.

So, it is declared that the Father is God, and the Son God and the Holy Ghost God, and that these three Gods make one God.

According to the celestial multiplication table, once one is three, and three times one is one, and according to heavenly subtraction if we take two from three, three are left. The addition is equally peculiar, if we add two to one we have but one. Each one is equal to himself and the other two. Nothing ever was, nothing ever can be more perfectly idiotic and absurd than the dogma of the Trinity.

--Robert Ingersoll, 1895