For those who believe that fetus if apart of the woman's body until birth?

Question

I just read an answer about abortion- someone said that a fetus is just a part of the woman's body until birth, and therefore it is her choice what she does with her body.
My question- does the woman have 2 heartbeats, 2 lungs, 4 legs, 4 arms etc. Look at an ultrasound it is ALL there- you can even see and hear the baby's heartbeat. Don't say that "the baby is not human, because it is not fully developed." Babies that are born are not fully developed either. What are your thoughts?

"flesh' with a beating heart. When a person feels and can think- the baby can feel inside the womb by the way, this is being scientifically proven. what if a baby was born and they found the babies brain not to be fully developed , should that mother have the choice to kill the born child.
By the way, if I could adopt every child in the world I would. I did adopt 2 children , and I am adopted myself. Just because every pro-lifer does not adopt it does not make it ok for the woman to abort. BELIEVE there are many couples waiting and waiting and waiting for a child, but because there are 4,000 abortions alone in the US everyday, the waiting gets longer.

I am so thankful that your grandchildren are ok- and yes, the baby of course, is apart of the woman- that is not what i meant- what i meant was that some people say that it is ONLY apart of the woman's body, that is why abortion is ok. sorry if you misunderstood

a fetus survives in the womb, with the aid of the woman of course, i am not denying that. However, can a baby survive once born alone without aid? Just wondering how a newborn would be able to survive without the aid of the mother. So what is the difference? If a mother abandoned her newborn and the baby died she would be charged.

Cheryl E- Where do you get the idea that i don't care about children born in need of health care. You don't know me at all. I support all children, unborn or born. So you are saying it is better to abort a child then to worry about caring for it later?

"Until the parasite, can live on it's own, it has no rights" - so if you get old and lose all your senses and get so physically ill that you cannot take care of yourself, would it be ok , if someone wiped your life out? IT WOULD BE MURDER. A baby cannot live without aid either.

Answer 1

Its GOD who breathes life into a body. To take or to destroy MAN HAS NO AUTHORITY.

GOD alone is the Author and finisher of our life and Faith.

In Christ, AMEN.

Answer 2

The ones that cannot think or feel, up until about the end of the first trimester-- that's nothing but more flesh and yes, it is part of the woman and nothing more. I believe it is only human when it can feel pain and think with it's own mind.

At only a few weeks old, the fetus doesn't have the neural pathways and so cannot think at all and cannot feel any type of pain.

Abortions don't bother me-- expelling something that can't think or feel is in no way murder. Murder is killing a thinking, feeling being. Murder is not aborting a piece of flesh with no nerves and no brain. Until it thinks and feels, it is part of a woman's body.

EDIT: I never want kids, but I'm still going to have sex with the man I love. We use protection and we are safe. And if I get pregnant, yes I will get an abortion. Bringing another child into this world is just not responsible.

Answer 3

When Does Life Begin?

When the male sperm unites its 23 chromosomes with a like number in the female ovum, a new human life is conceived. From this time of conception, the sex and other personal details are immutably established. The only change will be in growth during the nine-month term of pregnancy. “It is a statement of biologic fact to say that you once were a single cell,” writes Dr. John C. Willke. So does life begin at the moment of conception? Many simply answer yes. For those who think this way, abortion at any time is tantamount to murder.

Others maintain that ‘life begins about 20 weeks after the initial conception.’ Why do they view the matter this way? Because it is at about this time that the mother will begin to feel the fetus move. This period is sometimes referred to as the “quickening.” Live births can take place from the 20th week, and abortions are usually performed any time up to the 24th week of pregnancy, a time factor generally accepted. Is this, then, the time when a baby is legally considered to be alive?

In Britain the law does not recognize an unborn child as a human being. Under such circumstances no abortion can legally be termed murder. But once a child has left its mother’s body, even if the umbilical cord remains intact, to kill that child is a criminal offense. At that time the child has legal rights. Legally, then, from this standpoint, life begins at birth.

The Jewish view, as expressed by Britain’s Chief Rabbi, agrees. Life does not “begin until the moment of birth,” he says, adding: “We do not regard destruction of the unborn child as murder.” What then of the fetus, the baby growing in the womb? In Marital Relations, Birth Control and Abortion in Jewish Law, Rabbi David M. Feldman of New York stated: “The fetus is unknown, future, potential, part of ‘the secrets of God.’”THE more man learns about how the fetus develops, the more he is confronted by evidence showing that, from early on, it is a gradually unfolding life with feeling, hearing, sight, movement, and other functions. He continues to be startled by discoveries showing that it is more than a mere collection of cells and tissue. In Chatelaine, a Canadian women’s magazine, Anne Beirne sets out what is now known. Moving: Though the mother may not feel it, the fetus starts to move its muscles as early as eight weeks—and its heart is already beating! “By 28 weeks, a normally developing fetus moves at least ten times every 12 hours.” Feeling: At 16 weeks, it reacts to pain, even kicking if stuck by the needle used in amniocentesis. Hearing: It can hear its mother’s heartbeat at 24 weeks and responds to loud sounds, music, and voices. “It can even bounce in rhythm to its mother’s voice.” Seeing: “By 16 weeks, its eyes have developed to the point where they can move around; by 24 weeks, . . . the fetus is able to detect light through the uterine wall.”

Jehovah also, from the conception of the new life, sees all of this—the marvelous, gradual development of an individual. Those who truly respect life and its Source will not ignore this fact, acting as if an abortion were only the removal of nothing more than a cluster of cells. To Jehovah, the psalmist said: “Your eyes saw even the embryo of me, and in your book all its parts were down in writing, as regards the days when they were formed and there was not yet one among them.”—Psalm 139:16.

Answer 4

Not to mention that the last time I checked, if a husband and wife's Rh factor are different then the wife has to get a shot so that if there is ANY transfer of blood when the baby is born she will not die!! And just about EVERYONE knows their blood type and would get pretty upset if they were, say an o- and were given a transfusion of ab+, assuming that they survived. (and yes for those of you who are going to try to say that I don't know what I'm talking about, I do understand that the o and ab are extreme but what about a mother who is o- being married to a man who is ab+ and their child gets the dad's Rh factor and would be either an a or a b and the mother has neither of those?) My point is just that a woman CAN NOT have two different blood types in her body but that is EXACTLY what can happen in the above mentioned situation so I think that just goes to prove 100% positively that that 'fetus' is not 'just part of the woman's body'!!!

Answer 5

My daughter has Rh negative blood
She had the RhoGam shot each pregnancy and delivered
Two healthy children they are now 17 and 22
She had them c-section and that took care of the problem
She also had previa placenta
She was not free from problems with it, it was delicated but with proper medical care she was fine and so were the children
I was told they could die if they passed through the birth canal and some of her blood mixed with the child
that was scary, the doctor that told me that was not delicate


The baby is a part of the womens body from conception
She has emotions that no one will ever know
unless you are a women and know
My daughter also lost 3 children

Better to try and win than not try at all

Answer 6

Just to get the English right: "For those who believe that the fetus is a part of the woman's body..."

When we travel by a vehicle, the driver/pilot/captain may as well say: "these people are a part of my vehicle so I can do with them as I want... I can crash this plane/bus/train or sink this ship - as the case may be...they're just fetuses, zygotes - just a little older may be." You can take rationalisations to any extreme to suit your particular agenda.

Answer 7

I support abortion, but only to a certain extent. There comes a point when it is not acceptable, like those partial birth abortions. However, when the "fetus" is the size of a pea, and the mother has her reasons, then yes, she has a right to terminate. I have known women who have gotten abortions: they do not take it lightly and it is very traumatic. It is much better for society when a mother makes the choice to terminate early, then go on and have the baby and make a mess of the child's life because she was not ready to be a mother.
Cheryl E, I think your response is true and very eloquent.

Answer 8

I might add that even when it is first delivered, it is still connected to the woman via the umbilical cord...but most everyone would say that any right to terminate it at that point would be absurd....once we can actually see the baby with our own eyes, things appear much different...

And as far as the comment above mine, I imagine most do care immensely about caring for the baby once it is born (and also care of its overall existence and right to live).

Also, would we justify ending the life of a newborn because of financial concerns on the part of the mother? Why then justify killing the unborn for that reason?

Answer 9

if the woman drinks alochol and it causes a miscarriage, is it then murder?

can the fetus survive without the woman's body?

if a woman passes a fertilized egg durring her period, is that murder?

do you remember the 60's or know anything about the.,,,when Abortion was illegal.
it did not stop, it jsut happened in dark alleys, with rusty coat hangers. many girls died because they were so afraid to tell their parents that they had made a mistake...do you want to return to that.

Answer 10

That is BS. A woman shouldn't have a choice to murder her unborn baby!