are you sick and tired of people saying?

Question

that it depends on the person and thire atributes
okay to some extent that makes sense, but a person training in karate or kung fu vs a muay thai or a bjj practitioner would im sorry to say get batterd

now u can say it depends on the person and thier skill but it is what u get taught also
a karate guy who only knows how to punch and kick will always get there as* kicked against a grapaler

a person who only knows how to attack will get counter punched
people have to become more than 1 dimensional nowadays

thanks hoping for intresting awnsers

Answer 1

Wow! Only four months in a different art and you know everything! Just because you went to a piss-poor school before doesn't mean you have discovered everything you need to know about martial arts. If you were attending such a perfect school that teaches such a perfect art, you probably wouldn't be on here asking for help all of the time. You sound arrogant beyond your training. And learn to use a spell checker for crying out loud! You shouldn't even need one this bad at 14!

Answer 2

Why are you sick and tired of that message if it makes sense to you? You seem to agree with it.

If we look at the training methods for Muay Thai and BJJ they are to some degree revolving around conditioning and strengthening or *gasp!* developing personal attributes!

I think technique will be delivered by ones attributes. I guess it's kind of like having the best computer with the best games and no monitor... if the computer can't deliver the game, then what good is it to play games?

From the way your talking about Karate and Kung-fu, you obviously have not fought against a practitioner who has some serious fighting skill.

You are victim to your own ignorance. I say this because in your examples you are thinking one dimensionally. For example the Karate guy who gets taken down has trained to use a knife and stabs your grappler. The karate guys a$s might have been kicked... but the grappler is dead.

I think, basically, it comes down to 3 things. Attributes, Experience and Technique. There are probably more factors but I think these 3 are a good start to a well rounded fighter.

Answer 3

You have no room to talk.

Training style determines whether or not an art can be effective: Not the art itself. That's why people like me say "It depends on the practitioner." It's not because we are trying to be generous, but unlike you, we don't come to brash generalizations about arts we may or may not have experience with. It's not being one-dimensional, because not only can skill take over an adversity, but there's too many factors to take into account whether or not a style is effective or not.

You started with a bad example by simply using styles instead of experience:

A Karate or Kung Fu practitoner versus a Muay Thai practitioner? That would be dependent on the people. Have you seen the training of Shaolin Monks? Apparently you haven't.
What about the iron body training of traditional Karate Schools? Is that "Fake" to you?

-No. The grappler has to get the striker to the ground. If they don't: It's equal game. A lot of schools from the style you mentioned and others are teaching ground fighting techniques, that allow for strikers to keep themselves into a certain range. Some even teach grappling. I've faced grapplers before, and I have only just recently started grappling. I actual won some of the sparring matches, because they weren't able to take me to the ground. It's viable to cross-train.

The reason a "Karate Guy" would lose to a grappler would be because of skill (Another thing we are stressing: Skill. Grab yourself a blue belt in BJJ, and let him go against a Muay Thai fighter with more experience, and still no grappling. I'm sure you think that match would end in seconds, but you are completely mistaken.) and training intensity: Not because of what they learn. You aren't separating the concepts, and even the people that may believe that BJJ and Muay Thai are the ultimate styles know what I'm saying is true: Training methodology is a stronger determinant of whether or not a style works, and not techniques that are being used. How would Muay Thai be if it wasn't centered around being tuff and ready for the ring? What if BJJ just taught those grappling techinques, without having a specific test against a resisting opponent? What if Judo had no Randori? Do you know how much that would weaken those arts? A LOT.

You've already shown me that you are highly inexperienced in martial arts based on what you've already said. I would insult you more, but it's likely that you're just a child. If you aren't: you are definitely acting like one with your sophomoric ways.

Answer 4

Yes a person who is naturally talented who does an ineffective martial art could beat another person in a more effective art who is not as naturaly gifted, but if you put the same exact person, make a clone of him and put him into the two arts one art is just more effective than the other

I mean, if a person never train full contact like in some karate and kung fu do you think he will stand a chance agains someone who does Muay Thai? It is about the person, definately, but its about the training also, the training should be good enough to let the persons potential come out, however most arts dont do that, and other arts can create great fighters out of not so talented people

and the whole point of martial arts is to make normal people stronger right?

Answer 5

Consider the type of people that seek out those specific types of training. BJJ & Kick Boxing or just Boxing for that matter....usually tougher, younger, more athletic and have real life applications in mind. Such as; MMA competitions, sanctioned fights, bar fights or what-have-you. People who tend to lean towards Kung-Fu, TKD and Karate are little kids, families that want an activity to do together, older people.

Honestly I'm sick and tired of people making generalizations across the board. "Karate doesn't work", "This guy will beat that guy in this type of fight", "This style is superior"....and so on. It absolutley depends on the person, the desire to win in a fight and competition. Most of these statements are from people that do not know, or derive these opinions based on UFC videos from 15 years ago. Wasn't there a rule implemented about how many kicks you had to throw in a round of American Style Kickboxing? They did this because Journeyman Boxers would enter these competitions and clean house by just using their boxing skills. If kickboxing is so awesome how can a hack boxer, who throws 4-5 different techniques, defeat a "highly skilled" kickboxer? Because it depends on the fighter...that's why.

Answer 6

Look at UFC 1 and when a Skinny savet guy knocked the teeth out of the 600+ pound sumo Wrestler and Won. Remember closing the Gap for Clinch means getting into the Striker's range of attack! So it's 50/50 chance on who escapes,attacks and counters the best! I don't care if it's Karate vs BJJ it's the same Chance for Either one of getting beat or Dieing!

Answer 7

The simple truth is their are to many variables in a real fight to accurately answer this question.No one art has all the advantages otherwise we would only use one.I think that the answers will be the preference of the people answering.
Anyone who has ever been in a fight outside of a ring or friendly brawl knows that the person means more than the style.
2 people of the same age,size and style wouldn't be a even match because they are 2 different people.The list goes on and on.Also it depends how someone was taught their respective style.Was it for sport,combat,or just meditation?
Would a straight brute force style stand up to a pure energy/spiritual style? My answer is the question needs refinement

Answer 8

Your point of view is very simplistic and really unrealistic and it largely shows your own lack of experience and the shallow depth of your knowledge.

Over the years I've trained with masters and senior students in a number of different hard and soft disciplines. We've shared philosophies, shared training concepts and techniques, worked on self-defense strategies, and explored each others disciplines for strengths and weaknesses.

The truth is, there is much more similarity in most major arts than there are differences at the core of what each are is, does, and wants to achieve. Stylistically all achieve what they aim for in diffrent ways, but the core principals and concepts are interestingly very similar.

All of the Grand Masters, Masters, and very accomplished artists it's been my privilage to work out with, learn from, and share knowledge with all agree with the one true principal "It's not the tool, it's the person wielding the tool that is important."

All disciplines have inherent weaknesses and strenghts. All systems will appeal to some more than others for a variety of reasons. ALL mature and experiences masters will cross train as I have with other masters and arts to identify gaps in our own technique, weaknesses in other systems concepts, and to continue to grow and develop our own breadth of knowledge, understanding, and ability.

The concept that one are, by virtue of it's technique is always superior to another irrespective of the practitioner is patently absurd. The truly sad thing is so many people have such a poor opinion of traditional martial arts, when the structure, repetitive nature of that training, and deliberate execution of technique at the lower ranks (read anything below 5th Dan) are the foundation on which a true "mixed martial artist" will be built. Unfortunately too many people want to join a self-defense class that focuses only on technique and expect to be an invincible human weapon in a year or less. That just does not happen.

In the words of my first Instructor - "anyone who puts down another art, is someone who does not understand that art, and is someone with a narrow mind and a narower talent." True masters never put down another art, becuase they KNOW all arts have value, purpose, and credible technique.

My humble opinion from over 30 years in the martail arts, for what it worth.

Ken C
9th Dan HapMoosaKi-Do
8th Dan TaeKwon-Do
7th Dan YongChul-Do

Answer 9

Dude, first of all, the karate taught in most do-jo`s has mainly demo purposes or light-competitions. Is not a full-contact MA (or at least is not taught that way) and there are no kung-fu competitions either... So you can`t really compare those two...

Answer 10

99.9% of the time you are right. The only thing my brother has ever studied is TKD. I've cross trained in DJJ TKD muay thai aikido and judo. My brother seems to always know how to counter every thing I know. I do not know with certanty how I will do in a street fight but I have no doubts he would completely mess just about anybody who tried to screw with him. At 145lbs he does show that if your smart you can win.