Isn´t the Jesus incident a one-way-perspective anthropomorphism?

Question

Illogism #1: If god had such a power over matter as to be able to able to build a whole colossal universe (check the complexity please), why would he need a material jesus avatar to get his message across?
Illogism #2: TAKE THIS FROM GOD´S PERPECTIVE: If flesh is so useless to him as to be discarded at death, what´s the big deal in discarding the jesus avatar´s body if his ticket to heaven was already punched? Where´s the big sacrifice in this?
Illogism #3: We consider the importance of a son to be paramount because it is important from our human point of view, so the importance of a god´s son can only be attributed under human -not divine- parameters. God never lost his son because the important part for him was the spiritual part that never died. Was it a scam then?
illogism #4: Rooted in these reasonings, doesn´t it seem suspect that the jesus incident happened only in Mesopotamia and that the spread of the word had to be done by conquest?
Why not repeat the operation elsewhere?

If the story is true, god must have known that by producing a jesus avatar in one place only, the spread of his word could only have been produced by war and atrocities, and that it could have been avoided with more avatars around the world. Now let´s get back to the teachings of the jesus avatar about love and peace and we now realize that christian actions and christian words contradict. I thus conclude that if he exists at all, god is responsible for the actions of his creatures the same way that parents are responsible for their children´s actions.

Atheists, please check my last Qs, I´d like your opinions please. They are still open.
Thank you very much. T

Hi Seed. If you allow mails, I´ll be glad to write you.
T

I´m sorry quasar, that is not relevant. Flesh is flesh, and spirit... should be spirit. Getting lost and sacrifice are two different subjects.

Answer 1

Similar Gnostic questions have been asked for millennia.

If Jesus was God, then his resurrection is no more miraculous then a fixed fight.
Something really miraculous would be a totally human man making this kind of sacrifice hoping there was a god and not knowing for sure (for FAITH).

ADD: Seed, yes I do have direct evidence that the world is round. It is called a horizon and it is curved (especially over the ocean). In fact long before Columbus they knew the world was round.

Sailors were more worried about sailing of the edge of a globe then they were of a flat earth. Some thought that you could travel further over the oceans but you would have to sail "uphill" to get back.

Evidence is not tough to find if you open your eyes and your mind.

Answer 2

Good points!

God/Reality is the 'neutral' multi-dimensional field in which we are embedded that is responsive to consciousness. People notice this miraculous responsiveness sometimes and want to believe daddy in the sky cares about their personal issues.

Jesus was an adept trying to provide a more illuminated understanding of sacred teachings, to explain the intersection of being/reality, psychology/physics in a particularly hostile political climate that was going downhill fast. He had to know that he would be misinterpreted over time and this would cause war and misery, but he did it anyway and coincidentally overcame the Romans eventually through Constantine - though unable to help his own people avoid the destruction of the temple etc.

Answer 3

It is a one way perspective though you have the perspective completely reversed as your abstractions- the falsity that is science, often based on unproven and incorrect data- supercedes your reality. The "colossal universe" has always been directly limited for mankind by his direct experience- so the only rational material form God could take in the most extreme conditions of man's ignorance of Him would be man himself. The men of God and the prophets came and went, until one "greater than Jonah" and "greater than Solomon" appeared on earth and completely changed the reality of the world of man.

Your penchant for false abstractions is proven when you use, as an atheist "God's perspective" the basis of your question. And your ethics disproven when you are offered the opportunity to ask one question on the subject of Religion and Spirituality and you ask five of them to dispute both religion and spirituality (and atheists wonder why their questions are never featured here!) Atheism will fail- especially yours- because it is not based on truth, but disingenuous and emotional reasonings that any scientist would disavow.

Answer 4

VERY interested in following this Q. Well presented T.

You obviously thought about this a long time, and i'll need time to turn it over in my head. For a preliminary answer, let me ask YOU --

Do You believe that the Earth is round? Do You have direct proof of this, or is Your belief based on second-hand information from other people? Does that mean Your belief is invalid?

It's called Faith because there is no proof. That doesn't make Faith a folly.

Answer 5

Um, lets see, okey. If you went out in the forest and lost your way, I mean "really' lost your way and a snow storm had you trapped, no escape. If no one came to save you, you would die in the freezing dark forest. God had to become one of us because we are always getting lost, he came to lead us into the warm light of ever lasting life.