Could it be that the God of War and Justice in the O.T. is the same in the N.T.? And that His son, Jesus....?

Question

is the mediator between that God and us? Can Jesus really save us from such a God as in the Old Testament?

Azure: Jesus was Jewish and often quoted the O.T.

Answer 1

Azure makes the mistake of confusing 'turn the other cheek' and the 'eye for an eye' law. 'Eye for an eye' was to do with criminal law. 'Turn the other cheek' was to do with relationships between people.

The God of the OT is still God. In the Old Testament, God gave amazing examples of forgivess, eg. King David, King Manasseh, the entire nation of Israel, etc.

Jesus was God's son, his death ended the Mosaic Law. Incidentally, the NT mentions the complete destruction of the wicked at Armageddon. Which God is it that brings that about? The supposed angry OT God, or the supposed kind NT God?

A man can be a judge in a court of law, dispensing sentences to many people. But he can also be a loving father and a best friend. Likewise, God is not a one-dimensional individual. There are times when he forgivess, times when he teaches and times when he has to judge and punish.

Answer 2

Actually, its a pretty bizarre situation. The teachings of Jesus are almost diametrically opposite of those of the god of the Old Testament, ("turn the other cheek" vs "eye for an eye", etc). It is rather ridiculous that people can actually believe they are the same entity.

However, the teachings of love and mercy from Jesus have ironically also exposed billions to the teachings of violence and oppression of the old testament god. When the message of Jesus was fastened onto the preexisting hebraic scriptures, this made the popular teachings of Jesus a carrier that effectively spread the associated old testament.

If it hadn't been for the teachings of Jesus, the old testament god would have remained solely the god of the jews and the rest of the world would not have been exposed to that irrational and hate-filled theology. Its amazing that a message of love could also spread a message of hate simply due to an unfortunate association.

Answer 3

Unfortunately, your question clearly indicates your lack of knowledge about God and about what the OT says. You need to look at it as a whole, not just pick out a few passages here or there that support your agenda. God never sent his children into battle alone. He was always with them. If you care to read about the various leaders of the time, you will see in each case that his people were always outnumbered, ourgunned (more or less) and almost certain to suffer defeat, yet when they had God going before them into battle, they were victorious over the enemy. God's own words in Genesis made it clear that those who worship the devil (such as those you mentioned) would be defeated not by man, but by him. Jesus preached the same thing. Jesus was not a push over as he demonstrated that day in the temple courtyard when he overturned the tables of the money changers. He spoke in rightousness and acted accordingly. As the purpose of Jesus was to lay down the life of a sinless "man" on behalf of all sinners, he had to demonstrate the side of God that would draw men to him, not away. That side of God is his unending love. As to specific incidents in the OT, please reread the material and note if the followers of God were acting in self defense or according to God's promise to them. They were being obedient. I often see comments from those who do not believe, that God is cruel or unjust in his statement that those who do not follow him will end up in hell with Satan. (New Testament) God does not condemn someone to death, He is simply stating to sinners what the result of their sin will be if they do not believe in his Son. Same as the OT. God does not change. He is always loving to his children and has no desire that any be lost to hell. That is why he sent Jesus....to give EVERYONE a chance no matter what they have done in the past.

Answer 4

Different people belive different, some dont belive Jesus is son of god nor got crucufied, this includes early Christians & some Christians today, they just follow the teachings of Jesus but dont belive he is son of God & dont belive Jesus was crucufied.

Some people as i have stated follow the original teachings of Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him), some dont follow the follow the teachings some Christians follow because unfortunetly the Bible has been edited many times during the centuries to suit man's way of life.

Some people belive Jesus (pbuh) is a Prophet & not his crufucufixion, this does not include Muslims only, but as i have mentioned also other Christians in the world.

One does not know what is the true message of God through the belevoed Prophet Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) & what is the message of man, (corruption of the bible during the centuries), thats why so many demonitions of Christianity.

So i will say be careful what you hear, see. make ur own judgement, im a former Christian & now a Muslim, i always use to have Questions like yours, but Islam gave me those answers, the Quran has never been changed, if you want concrete answers then read the Quran, trust me you will know at heart what you wanted to know. Peace.

Answer 5

Do you know anyone who is strictly "vanilla" all his life? Or does he have different aspects to his character?

The OT and NT are the same in revealing different aspects of God's personality. Justice, Wisdom, Power, Righteousness, Love in perfect balance and amount are just a part of them. So is someone who admires a good laugh and song even.

Jesus is supposed to be the mediator between God and man. He is perfect and we are most definitely not. So we require a mediator.

Answer 6

Absolutely Yes.

Answer 7

The God of the OT is Jehovah. His name appears over 7000 times in the Hebrew scriptures. He is a God of justice. He is also, at times, a God of war. (Note: when Jehovah goes to war, it is just. He has knowledge of every aspect of the issues involved and has the knowledge and wisdom to know when war is necessary. No human possesses that)

Jesus is Jehovah's son. The one whom the bible calls "the first born of all creation"

Jesus is the mediator between Jehovah and humans. Meaning that we approach Jehovah through Jesus. We pray through Jesus.

Jesus does not save us from Jehovah. They are playing for the same team.

Answer 8

According to the bible, those gods are the same man. It's one large contradiction, isn't it? How can jesus save us? Supposedly, he died for our sins, and now, instead of getting mad at us, the same god is forgiving us for believing in his son. I'm not quite sure how that works...but we're humans, and we can't possibly understand the nature of god's will, can we?

Answer 9

The reason That Jesus cried out on the Cross, is because he was receiving Gods wrath for us, so your answer is yes, but it is done as well, and now we have our Savior.

Answer 10

Actually it was one of the first heresies to consider them different.

see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcion_of_Sinope