Question For Jehovah's Witnesses?

Question

From what I gather you believe in Jesus but you don't believe in the trinity saying that there are 3 in 1.
You believe the bible:
John 14:7-11
Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
11Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

Is Jesus Blaspheming or is it possible there is a trinity and he is tellingthetruth

1 more verse Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Answer 1

I appreciate the question. However, if I may respectfully point out, your cited scripture here at John does not speak of a Trinity; indeed it does not even speak of three. In truth, most scriptures used by those who accept the doctrine deal with only two. Moreover, Jesus is not at all saying he is God in this scripture. Saying that he is in the Father and the Father is in him; saying that those who have seen the Father have seen him is not saying there is three in one – is it?

As for Revelation 1:8 it is certainly true that many apply the title of Alpha and Omega to both God and to Christ. Is that accurate? A closer examination of its use restricts its application to Jehovah God. The first verse of Revelation shows that the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus Christ, so the one speaking (through an angelic representative) at times is God himself, and at other times it is Christ Jesus. (Compare Revelation 22:8) Thus Revelation 1:8 (RS) says: “‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God [“Jehovah God,” NW], who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Now though the preceding verse speaks of Christ Jesus, it is clear that in verse 8 the application of the title is to “the Almighty” God. Notice the observation of Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament (1974):

“It cannot be absolutely certain that the writer meant to refer to the Lord Jesus specifically here . . . There is no real incongruity in supposing, also, that the writer here meant to refer to God as such.”

Finally, if Jesus is God Almighty, why does he refer to God Almighty as his God? John 17:3; John 20:17; and Revelation 3:12.

As for the relentless repetition that Jehovah's Witnesses “have their own Bible, I encourage you to read the above scriptures in any Bible you choose.

I hope this helps you a bit.

Hannah J Paul

Answer 2

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

I don't get this question. Clearly it is the ALMIGHTY who is speaking. Where in scripture does it say Jesus is the Almighty.

And those verses in John? Well let's see
"No one can come to the father except through me" ... TWO PEOPLE right?

Verses 8,9: Have you never heard the phrase like father like son. Or some older person saying wow I look at you and it's like I'm seeing your dad? Jesus could say what he did in these verses because he was one with his father in thought and purpose.

Verse 10: Have you ever heard someone say to a person that has lost a loved one that they would always LIVE IN THEIR HEARTS... IN THEM. That was what Jesus meant. That he loved his father and therefore he dwelt in him.

Take all the gospels... read them... and you will find that there is a clear distinction between Father (Jehovah) and Son(Jesus). "The father is greater than I am"... "I do the will of him that sent me" He Prayed before meals and before he performed all his miracles and also before he died. If nothign else, Real John 17. Who was he praying to? Himself?

Answer 3

You know, if you extract snippets of any book, can you truthfully say that the represent the message of the whole book?
The trinity creates contradictions with other scriptures. (No matter what the translation, this said to rebuke rightfully the liars who say from other's opinions that JW's have changed the Bible, Though not a JW, I have studied and found reliable their trans)

Here is a contradiction with the verse you posted.
Exodus 33:20 And he added: “You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.”

Another at John 1:18 No man has seen God at any time

Now how do you suppose, we should make all of this make sense with this scripture passage at John 17?
John 17:21 in order that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in union with me and I am in union with you, that they also may be in union with us,

If Jesus and his father are one, and his disciples are also one with Jesus and the father, do we try to understand this that we are now capable of becoming part of a pluralistic godhead by means of our faith?
Or is this 'oneness', and the statement 'you have seen the father if you have seen me' figurative?

Also, try reveiwing the very fisrt verse of Revalation, Rev, 1:1 "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him,".

If Jesus was God, why did one part of God have in his possession, information the other 'equal' part of God did not have?
Would not the verse have simply stated for clarity: A Revalation from Jesus God, that he gave to John?

Anywhoo, I could go on and on, what I suggest you do is stick with it. Keep askling questions, and by all mean acqquire a Strong's Concordance, and a KIng James Bible. Also go ahead and get the New World Translation, and then compare all these with whatever translation you prefer, and at some point you will really start to see things more clearly, I did.

Answer 4

I really enjoy this kind of Question cause I use no matter what version of the bible to show that Jesus is the firstson of God (colossians 1:15-17) then if he is a son he could be an angel cause all angels are sons of God (Job 1:6 and 2:1) and the bible calls to the sons of God .. gods in Psalms 82:1-6
then Jesus can be a son of God an a god also.

"no credible scholars" the pharisee were scholars that saw the miracles of Jesus and never recognize him as the Messiah.

tell me something can you be your father your son and your uncle at the same time???

Answer 5

When a minister marries two people, and says that they are one, ARE THEY? Are they only ONE person from then on? Of course not! They are to have like minds.. to think and act as one.. not that they are one person with two facets. If all sides of the trinity are equal, as trinitarians believe, then why would Jesus himself declare that 'the Father is greater than I' ? Why would Jesus not know the hour of the end, and God does, if they are one entity? If Jesus was God, he would know all that God knows!
Faith is what you can come to believe as true that cannot be PROVEN as true... and I have faith that Jehovah's Witnesses have the truth. I studied a great many different religions before I settled on JW's, and it all boils down to where you find answers to your questions. Jehovah's Witnesses had answers to my questions that made sense... and that's enough for me! Agape!

Answer 6

I think you have made your point and I agree with you.

Can God lie? No he can't.

God can't lie. Titus 1:2

Jesus was either the most arrogant man on the face of the earth of His day or He was speaking the Truth. If God can do anything then why couldn't He come to earth in human flesh?

Lets look at some verses proving the trinity.

Then God said, “Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Gen. 1:26

For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 1 John 5:7

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1

And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. John 1:14

I and My Father are one. John 10:30

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Phil. 2:5-8

For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Col. 2:9

If the Word became flesh, then Jesus is God.

In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was with God, and Jesus was God.

And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM.” And He said, “Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Ex. 3:14

Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 8:58

Jesus was never a created angel.

For to which of the angels did He ever say:
“ You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You”? Heb. 1:5

The verse below is out of the NWT.

And God went on to say: “Let US make man in OUR image, according to OUR likeness, and let them have in subjection the fish of the sea and the flying creatures of the heavens and the domestic animals and all the earth and every moving animal that is moving upon the earth.” Gen. 1:26

Then why is this verse in the NWT if there is no trinity? Who is the "US" and "OUR" in the verse above? Is this a verse their translaters forgot to alter?

Answer 7

Let me remind you of what the trinity is: In a nutshell, there is one God, eternally existing in three persons: Father, Son (Jesus Christ) and Holy Spirit. The three persons of the Godhead are coequal and co-eternal.

Look at the verses you quoted. Without going into an explanation of them, how many persons do you see in those verses? Do you see a God composed of THREE co-equal, co-eternal, almighty persons? NO! Those verses mention only TWO persons. So how can you show a trinity from verses that mention only TWO persons?

Answer 8

I asked a JW about that before.....he told me the JW were taught the the trinity doesn't mean 3 in 1....He said that the "elders" taught them that other religions believe that there's God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit and that we have 3 separate Gods. He knew I was Catholic and he wasn't allowed to even learn about catholicism but I told him about the Holy Trinity and what it signifies.

Answer 9

John chp. 17, We become one as the Father and Jesus are one.

Are we the same person?

John chp. 17, Says Jesus is in us as the Father is in him.

Does that make us God also?

John chp. 17 says Jesus gives christians the glory he had prior to coming to the earth.

Does having Christ's glory make us equal to God?

Heb 1:3 states that Jesus is the exact representation of God.
Heb 1:9 states that God his God anointed him above his companions.

Eph 1:3, 17 states that His God and Father will give us wisdom.

Rom 15:5,6 states we should have the mental attitude of Jesus in glorifing his God and Father.

John 1:6 states that christians will be kings and priest of the God and Father of Jesus.

No Jesus was accused of blaspheming when he said he was God's Son.

We are accused of blaspheming when we say he is Jehovah's Son.

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Answer 10

Good argument, but you forgot one thing. The JW rewrote the Bible to suit their needs. The best way to prove your point is to take verses out of their version of the Bible (The Watchtower version).