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Based on a question today i looked it up.

Jesus was born in 0ad and died 30ad(ish), then 4 decades passed before apostle Paul (formally Saul) seen jesus in a vision from god.

He then wrote 80,000 words which is all we have on the early days of christ, Paul was real however, no one told his Jesus was a man who recently lived.. no one told Paul, Paul never heard of

Mary
Joseph
Bethlehem
Herrid
John the Baptist
Any of his miracles
Quote anything jesus was supposed to have said
Mentions Jesus having a ministery of any kind at all
Does not know about an enterance to jerusalem
Does not mension pontius pilot
Roman mobs
Any trials

He does not know of any of what we call christianity apart from the cross, the resurrection and the ascension.

Whats more, he never places any of these events on earth.

"If Jesus had been on earth, he would not even have been a priest"
Hebrews 8:4

So where does the rest come from if he was the closest link to Jesus after 40y?

2007-08-18 07:24:02 · 25 answers · asked by clarky 2 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Id like to add that this is not made up, this is based on an afternoon of collective research based on the first 100 years AD.

I am writing exactly what we are human beings know to be correct.

Id still like to know, Paul is the closest we have to knowing Jesus, his first followers started the church... so did someone else come along one day and just add a whole bunch of stuff?

The 80000 words that Paul wrote are all historians have on the 0-70AD.

It was said on a site that had folklore and mystisism not been added into the bible, then the bible would be full of holes and generally ignored.

It is almost as though someone took a mythical creature and tried to insert him into the framework of history even know everything else is based on nothing.

So where does it come from? Do christians know this?

2007-08-18 07:38:40 · update #1

elmjunburke lol what a moron,

So he didnt remember to write about the most godly things a god can do?

He happened to write stuff but negated the most incredible things human being could have heard of at the time, if he was going to write about stuff, im sure the fact jesus mum was a vigin and he done miracles would have been the backbone to his writings had he believed them possible.

If you write for a newspaper about cocacola and then see a flying bus driven by a bright blue pig, then chances are you would put that in the paper and not the article on cocacola.

Dont be so niave.

2007-08-18 07:57:38 · update #2

25 answers

The origins of Christianity are to be found in some drunk guy's head

2007-08-18 07:31:22 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2 0

First of all, there is no year '0'. The current calendar counts from 1 B.C. immediately followed by A.D. 1.

This calendar construct was based on erroneous information. Most Bible scholars today believe that Jesus was born about 4 B.C.

Also, your premise that one man, Paul, wrote the entire NT, does not correlate with modern textual analysis; nor does it correlate with extra-biblical documents, or history. The Bible is NOT our only source of information on Jesus.

As for Hebrews 8:4, if you had read the context, you would see that it was speaking of the present -- that is, the present when it was written -- and not of past events.
Hebrews 8:1 -- Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We HAVE such a High Priest, who IS seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens,
It is not about what WAS, but of what IS. Jesus was not on the earth AT THE TIME of the writing.

Conclusion: Paul was NOT the closest link to Jesus.

I don't know where you got all that junk from, but it has NO basis in fact or scholarly research.

2007-08-18 08:02:45 · answer #2 · answered by BC 6 · 1 0

Wow.....time to see how much theology 101 we can squeeze in this little box.

First...no one knows who wrote Hebrews. Some feel it may even ave been a woman. So scrap that verse as directly attrubuted to Paul.

Second, when you read the book of acts, you see a travelling story, from when Paul was blinded, to the point in which he died.

During that story, you will see that he met with Peter and James the half brother.

Third, what Paul writes is not "Gospel" (that which tells the story of the good news of Jesus' life), but are "Epistles", or letters to early churches.

Yes, Paul was the most prolific writer. He wasn't a fisherman, he wasn't a tax collector. Paul was a student of Gamil (sp?) one of the most intellectually respected Mosaic teachers at that time. Paul was an intellect, who rose up to challenge certain teachings that were beginning to spread. Teachings such as Christians must observe all law, to include circumcision or else they are not genuine, the forbidding of eating certain types of meat, else one looses his salvation, the apparent tolerance of a young man sleeping with his own mother and the church the two attended were going to turn a blind eye, and more.

So...I'm glad we had this little conversation so we can show others that the portrayal of Paul as the founder of Christianity is far from being accurate.

2007-08-18 07:37:16 · answer #3 · answered by Last Stand 2010 4 · 0 1

Just how do you know what or who Paul ever heard of, or didn't hear of ? Little was written in those days, almost all communication was oral. I'm sure that Paul didn't write down everything that he ever heard of. That would have taken tons of literature.
You're assuming a heck of a lot, but having nothing to back up your statement. So he wrote eighty thousand words, that's not that much. That would cover a few events, but a persons brain can store millions of pieces of information.
Okay, I just wrote the above article. That's all you know about me. Are you going to say that I don't know what's going on in the world, because I never mentioned it ?

2007-08-18 07:49:11 · answer #4 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

I don't know where you got your information, but Jesus was born two to three years before the death of Herod the Great who died in 4 BC. So He was probably born about 7 BC, and died about 26 AD. He started His ministry in 23 AD. We don't know how long after the death of Jesus that He appeared to Saul of Tarsus whom was renamed Paul.

Paul was selected by Jesus to be the one to take the gospel to the Gentiles. He devoted His life to that purpose until His death in 65 AD. Paul was a devout Jew, but He was a Roman citizen. He spend much time in Rome at the summons of the Emperor, but during that time He brought many a Roman to Christ.

John was the disciple that lived the longest dying at the end of the first century, after being released from prison on the Isle of Patmos in 96 AD. Both Peter and Paul were executed in 65 AD. Paul was in Rome under house arrest and he was accompanied by Luke and Peter along with various others that visited Paul daily.

grace2u

2007-08-18 08:13:51 · answer #5 · answered by Theophilus 6 · 0 1

Several things: you say "4 decades passed before apostle Paul (formally Saul) seen jesus in a vision from god." Paul's vision on the road to Damascus was not 4 decades later - this occurred in approximately 36 AD. Yes, after Christ had been crucified and resurrected. It is not known if he met or saw Christ during His mortal ministry.

You also state: 'He then wrote 80,000 words which is all we have on the early days of christ,' - others have written on the early days of Christ.

As to you reference to Herbrews 8:4 - perhaps a better translation is: Therefore while he was on the earth, he offered for a sacrifice his own life for the sins of the people. Now every priest under the law, must needs offer gifts, or sacrifices, according to the law.

As for the origins of Christianity, it actually goes back further than "Jesus was born in 0ad" - it goes back to premortal life.

We are participants in Heavenly Father's plan, and our eternal experience can be divided into three main parts: premortal life, mortal life, and life after death. As we come to understand the plan, we find answers to questions asked by so many: Where did we come from? Why are we here? Where do we go after this life?

Premortal Life
Before we were born on the earth, we lived in the presence of our Heavenly Father as one of His spirit children. In this premortal existence, we attended a council with Heavenly Father's other spirit children. At that council, Heavenly Father presented His great plan of happiness.

In harmony with the plan of happiness, the premortal Jesus Christ, the Firstborn Son of the Father in the spirit, covenanted to be the Savior. Those who followed Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ were permitted to come to the earth to experience mortality and progress toward eternal life. Lucifer, another spirit son of God, rebelled against the plan and "sought to destroy the agency of man." He became Satan, and he and his followers were cast out of heaven and denied the privileges of receiving a physical body and experiencing mortality.

So, with Jesus Christ, who is God the Father's "Beloved Son, which was my Beloved and Chosen from the beginning, said unto me—Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever" covenanting to be the Savior . . . that is the beginning of Christianity.

2007-08-18 07:53:19 · answer #6 · answered by The Corinthian 7 · 0 0

well, you couldn't be any more wrong than you are right now.

he does quote christ:
2 corinthians 12:9
1 corinthians 11:24-25

why didn't he mention joseph or mary or some of the other people? cause the books of the bible are letters he wrote to the churches of thessolonica, ephesus, corinth, phillipi, galatia, and rome. others he wrote to friends such as titus and philemon. he didn't need to mention them cause those weren't the topics of his message to them.

how do you know what abraham lincoln said at the gettysburg address? you weren't there. obviously cause it was written down. just cause paul didn't speak to jesus, doesn't mean he didn't know what he said. plus, he knew some of the disciples, the ones who lived with jesus.

and, you took the verse from hebrews way out of context(and changed the wording). that was written after jesus ascended into heaven. of course he isn't on earth when this was written.

hebrews 8:4 If he were on earth, he would not be a priest, for there are already men who offer the gifts prescribed by the law

and, paul knew all too well of the "roman mobs" heres 2 corinthians 11:23-29

"I have worked much harder, been in prison more frequently, been flogged more severely, and been exposed to death again and again. 24Five times I received from the Jews the forty lashes minus one. 25Three times I was beaten with rods, once I was stoned, three times I was shipwrecked, I spent a night and a day in the open sea, 26I have been constantly on the move. I have been in danger from rivers, in danger from bandits, in danger from my own countrymen, in danger from Gentiles; in danger in the city, in danger in the country, in danger at sea; and in danger from false brothers. 27I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked. 28Besides everything else, I face daily the pressure of my concern for all the churches."

why would he suffer so much if he knew what he was saying was a lie. he didn't suffer for a lie, he suffered for the truth. if you know his testimony, he knew what truth is better than most of us.

2007-08-18 07:52:53 · answer #7 · answered by toshiomagic 3 · 0 0

Hebrews 8:4 refers to the fact that Jesus was not of Levitical order,and due to his sacrifice of himself,no more earthly priests are needed which,as should be obvious completely abrogates the Catholic priesthood.due to His Eternal Priesthood, and the Offering of Himself in Sacrifice the Law is Done! and Christ wasn't born in 0 AD it would have been about 4 AD i think

2007-08-18 07:45:47 · answer #8 · answered by kb9ylu 3 · 0 0

Christianity started 50 days after the ascension of Christ accounted in the book of Acts Chapter 2. All of the disciples received the gift of the Holy Spirit. They then went out speaking in other languages that they never spoke before. The people around them at first thought they were drunk but when they actually heard the miracle of them speaking about Christ, His resurrection, and Salvation in their native tongue, 3000 people received Christ that day (Pentecost). Paul however, received Christ on the road to Damascus later on, received the Holy Spirit, and was added to the apostles.

I'd like to add that according to 2 Timothy 3:16 "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: ." Since God basically dictated the bible to the men that wrote it, why would he have Paul recount the things that occurred in the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John? In other words, why would God allow the scriptures to repeat over and over the same exact events? The evidence of the truth of the Gospels was realized both at the resurrection of Christ and on the day of Pentecost. From there all God had to do was to inspire men to write about how to successfully live the life of a Christ follower, which is what Paul, Peter, Timothy, James, John etc mostly write about in the New Testament. God also inspired John to write about the coming events of the return of Christ in the book of Revelations.

2007-08-18 07:33:08 · answer #9 · answered by drivn2excelchery 4 · 0 2

Your ignorance staggers me. Paul met many of Jesus's close followers. He has at least one quote from Jesus that no-one else has.
Many of his writings are much earlier than 40 years after the resurrection. He was probably dead by then!!
Mark, also, was written way before that!
By all means express your views but facts can help, you know.

2007-08-18 07:57:00 · answer #10 · answered by alan h 1 · 0 0

people can write anything just as you just did. Does not mean it is all true as we see every day in the news system. If Paul never knew or heard of Jesus and Jesus never lived on this Earth, why is it that Jesus is in the history books along with things He did and said? Not just the bible talks about Him but the history books also tell of Jesus and not just 40 years afterward. Christianity comes from the root word, CHRIST-ianity.

2007-08-18 07:34:06 · answer #11 · answered by ramall1to 5 · 0 2

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