1 John 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
2007-08-17 20:54:43 · 10 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
It is not out of context, its straight from the bible when John is talking about the church
2007-08-17 21:01:05 · update #1
Jaxx, 1 Corintians 10:4 Jesus is the Rock
2007-08-17 21:17:05 · update #2
It means that we all have understanding and Gods word will be clear to us through the holy spirit. We are not dependant on preists for interpretation.
2007-08-17 21:19:32 · update #3
It is pretty far out of context...
It is speaking of a miraculous work of the Holy Spirit in the recipients of the letter, seemingly what is called "knowledge."
Here is a different translation that tries to explain what is meant: 1Jn 2:27 "But you have received the Holy Spirit from God. He continues to live in you. So you don’t need anyone to teach you. God’s Spirit teaches you about everything. What he says is true. He doesn’t lie. Remain joined to Christ, just as you have been taught by the Spirit." (NIrV)
Paul writes to the church at Corinth about the different gifts: 1Corinthians 12:7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good. 8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom, to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit, 10 to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits, to another speaking in different kinds of tongues, and to still another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
So, this is NOT to the church in general, but to these particular Christians. NOW, we have the things the apostles and others writing through the power of the Spirit wrote and the Spirit has preserved so we can understand the Gospel. As for "needing" a pope, we are told that Christ is the one and only "HEAD OF THE CHURCH," (Ephesians 5:23) that he ALONE is our mediator with God, (1Timothy 2:5) that we are ALL PRIESTS, 1Peter 2:5 able to approach God ON OUR OWN... The entire system is a perversion of the pattern given to us in the New Testament.
2007-08-17 21:15:26 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 3⤋
You may not need a Pope, but I do.
I also tend to look at individual Bible verses within their context -- that is, the entire chapters they are taken from and to whom they are addressed -- before lifting them out of the text and claiming that they mean something in particular. David Koresh didn't think he needed anyone to teach him, either, and ended up with some tragically off-the-wall interpretations. When everyone is winging it on their own, that kind of thing can happen. You should know, yourself, that not all those who claim an annointing actually have it.
Catholics who study the Bible -- and there are many who do, rumors to the contrary -- sometimes come across a verse or chapter that is problematic, that is, it seems contradictory to something elsewhere in the Bible or its meaning is difficult to pin down. We can then ask our priests and bishops to help us understand it, knowing that they will not put their personal "spin" on it or give it more or less significance than it is supposed to have. It is this consistency of interpretation, going back through the centuries, that keeps the Church firmly on its foundation in Christ.
2007-08-18 02:24:24 · answer #2 · answered by Clare † 5 · 1⤊ 1⤋
The context is that faith is more than intellectual stuff. It doesn't mean that the individual is perfect on his or her own. The Pope (and all priests) are around to provide guidance.
See James 5: 16-20:
Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.
Elijah was a human being like us; yet he prayed earnestly that it might not rain, and for three years and six months it did not rain upon the land. Then he prayed again, and the sky gave rain and the earth produced its fruit.
My brothers, if anyone among you should stray from the truth and someone bring him back, he should know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
2007-08-17 21:11:24 · answer #3 · answered by praisedivinemercy 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
Question: is the Apostle John a man?
Counterquestion: is he teaching something here?
Detial: concerning those who seduce you (vs. 26). Who are they? Viz. what group of persons?
It would not seem to apply to teachers such as John, who was not seducing them. It would also not seem to apply in a historical sense to Benedict XVI, seeing as he also wasn't seducing them.
*edit*
John also mentions the anointing his recipients have received from Christ. without explicitly defining what that anointing is. It was something the Church he was writing to knew, and it was something he knew. Without some help here, however, we are left injecting our own meaning into this sound "anointing" that we make. The universal witness of the Churches in both the east and west is that he is referring to the oil of confirmation, received from Christ through His mystical body, the Church. This belief is either right or wrong. What evidence have you that it is wrong?
2007-08-17 21:01:09 · answer #4 · answered by delsydebothom 4 · 2⤊ 1⤋
Sorry but you can't just pick one verse out of the Bible and apply it against the hierarchy of the Church that Jesus himself established via Apostolic succession.
Hm mm what about all the verses calling Peter the 'rock', Fisher of my People etc.
Basically if I were to read this quote by itself and not in the context of its book and understanding its actual meaning, I would assume that there should be no religious leaders and no elders in a Church. Wow, that sounds Christian.
2007-08-17 21:02:52 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 3⤊ 2⤋
You took the verse out of context and applied it to yourself. The problem with your argument is the fact that Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to only one Church.
2007-08-17 20:59:57 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 1⤋
is this not funny how you can only look for one thing in the bible,and disregard the rest.what did Jesus say to the apostle peter?did he not give him the keys to the kingdom of heaven and on earth;to bind or to loosen.how many times did our lord Jesus Christ tell peter to feed his sheep's?that is why we having all this problems among those christian denominations,every one interprets the bible their ways.the anointing of the holy ghost came upon the apostles and the early Christians.peter and his successors are the only leaders of the universal church of god.the Almighty is a god of order,not confusions.
2007-08-18 05:12:04 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 2⤋
The Pope was initially the representative of Jesus on Earth who's job was to carry on the work of Jesus. Throughout time the Pope has become more of a political figure. Most people did seem to like Pope John Paul II. I think the current guy is too old for people to relate to...
2007-08-17 21:01:32 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0⤊ 5⤋
If John honestly thought that Christians didn't need anyone to teach them he wouldn't have written this epistle to teach them!
2007-08-17 21:06:13 · answer #9 · answered by Dysthymia 6 · 3⤊ 0⤋
whatever you like it to be ... to me it's just flowery words of a somewhat political nature if an annointing could turn one believer into a logically minded skeptic it would have immense value.
2007-08-17 21:00:51 · answer #10 · answered by dogpatch USA 7 · 0⤊ 4⤋