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Question

Why is it that people like me are called pro-illegals?
I mean no one wants open borders & more illegal immigration. I just think that illegals are a convienent scapegoat. I know this country needs some amount of temporary workers to do jobs NO ONE else will do. Heck I know people that HATE illegal immigration but still believe that we need some form of legalization for some of them
example: James M
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No one's saying
"Ah shucks why not? Let em all in"

wouldn't pro-immigration reform be a lot more accurate?

Answer 1

I agree with you Spazz..pro immigration reform is more accurate. I don't know why I get a label of "pro illegal" and sometimes get called nasty names.

I have always been clear about my opinion here: I do not think that illegal immigration is a good thing And I do not hate illegals because they are doing what they have to. Simple huh?

What is so difficult to understand about that? And why would you be angry at me for saying my honest opinion?

I think that calling me or anyone else a "pro illegal" is just creating a strawman and is a way for some people as an excuse to not actually reply the facts and reasoning in my arguments and deal with the fact that the situation is not simple as they want it to be. They can hate out on illegals and blame them for their troubles which is what they Really want to do.

Please understand that I am not saying that this is true for all of the antis here at all.

Edit: To the thumbs down..too much truth 4u?

Answer 2

Pro-immigration reform is a lot more digestible but I believe that even people who call themselves "antis" would be for some type of reform. WHAT type of reform is where we divide. We tend to think that all people are either "anything goes" as far as immigration or "completely against" when I believe there are many more who find themselves in the gray area. There are so many degrees to this issue. What do we do about young adults, some of whom are in college, who were brought over as young children & know no other country or way of life yet they are "illegal." What to do with them? Send them back "home?" They ARE home. What about the "anchor babies?" (As much as I hate that terminology.) Do we send the parents home & leave the babies here to fend for themselves or do we send the babies back regardless of the fact that they are legal American citizens? What about the worker who has been here for 10 years, who bought a house here, established a home here & is now an upstanding member of the community? Do we rip him up by the roots & ship him back?

There is NO question that reform is needed. But we have to consider the lives of these fellow human beings (our neighbors) whose fate we are deciding. This is a big responsibility to take into our hands & one that we are ill-prepared for. Each situation is unique. Each person with a different circumstance. It just seems common sense to me that if someone is here "illegally" who is a contributing member of the community & not a menace to society or a burden to our government system then he/she should be allowed to stay. If someone is here "illegally" & chooses to commit crimes or live off the system then he/she should be deported. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. The trouble is that most "antis" choose to lump all "illegals" in the same group as the few derelicts they see in a YouTube video trying to burn the flag & spewing hate in the streets. 5 people are not an accurate representation of an entire race or nationality. God help us if that was so.

We tell our kids they must share their things with others yet we do such a poor job teaching by example. We want to know why our kids are hateful, selfish & disobedient...well, the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. I am pro-reform but more than that I am pro-compassion & pro-loving my neighbor as myself. Even if that means sharing "my" things.

Answer 3

There is no jobs that no one else will do. Anyone that needs a job will do a job. People with families just cannot support them on the wages that illegals will work. Plain and simple, so everyone thinks that people here won't do these jobs. The job is not the issue. Illegals think the pay is great because of where they come from, people that live here cannot live on that pay. That is what brings economy down and wages down. The government just turned a blind eye for too long, but now that its out, the illegals are best to turn back and just come here as required the legal way. Before they actually get deported, because then their is no chance to come here the right way ever again. It is in the law.

Answer 4

There are so many variations of what people think should be done with illegal immigration. As to your statemetn that no one believes in letting them all in. Unfortunately there are people who feel that way. THe problem is that I once ask where to draw the line on how many people to let in, and most of the answers came from those who are fighting illegal immigration. Those who are sympathetic use diversion tactics and refuse to answer. What scares some of us is not the 12 million , since what ever damage they have done to our economy has in the most part already been done, its that tolerating those who are here would encourage more to come in.

Answer 5

The argument of 'They will do the jobs the Americans will not do', well I would have to say prior to the disastrous immigration act of 1965, there was very little immigration. Between 1925 and 1965, immigration levels were so low the number of immigrants in the country actually declined. In fact, there was even a period of net emigration out of the United States.
Yet, during that time Americans invented computers, had a healthy labor movement, initiated the space program...ect. The idea that somehow we suddenly can 't run a country without an endless supply of foreigners is absurd. The false hood repeated endlessly, that immigrants do the jobs Americans won't, is really tantamount to something like this:
The owner of a McDonald's puts a sign in the window that says: "Dishwasher wanted $1.00/hour." He leaves the sign in the window for a month but no ones comes in to apply for the job. "See?" the McDonald's owner might say "Dish-washing is a job Americans won't do. But there are a billion people in China who work for less than a dollar per hour. I need to import some cheap workers from (China, Mexico..ect)
There he/she will import workers, undercut American wages, and as a bonus stick the taxpayer with the cost of the new worker health care of educating his children and so on.
So we have managed to run a country this long a build crops and work fields for ages.

Answer 6

1- There are plenty of people who are for open borders.
2- Temporary does not mean illegal.
3- James M. Who would verify that 12-20 million people learned English.
4- The most important, They are here illegally!
5- Immigration reform should never favor illegal aliens.
6- Why just some of them? How about none of them. That is fair across the board.

Answer 7

If that was what everyone spoke of. Instead, everyone that is supposedly "pro immigration reform" speak how we need to allow illegals to continue to break the laws of our nation, and we should just look the other way.

Facts are facts - the law is the law. They are here illegally - hense the term "illegal immigrants". As long as it is against the law, then I am against it. You honestly think that if you make workers register, then they would do that? Nope. They will continue to operate the way they were before.

And the jobs no one else will do? Isn't that a little presumptuous of you to think? Did anyone really try? Nope - the ones that hire illegals do it because they don't have to pay them minimum wage, and they don't have to offer them benefits. THAT has nothing to do with hiring those that won't do the job - that has everything to do with cutting corners.

Everyone breaking the laws of immigration should be arrested and dealt with. I don't think our government is ready or willing to enforce our laws, and they are trying to do everything to suck up to the corporations. The majority of the citizens of this country feel that illegal immigration is wrong. Something should be done before this nation buckles under all of the weight.

Answer 8

Ok I can be ok for a few legal temporary workers. It's like I said before, if you can find someone and are willing to a certain amount of money they'll do the job happily. Illegals are not a scapegoat, they are the problem. Doesn't it bother you that there are people here in this country who you know nothing about (I mean like not have any info on them at all)? It's quite disturbing to me, because what if one of those people are either terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc we just don't know. Maybe you feel that way that there are people who say, let them all in this our country, this was Mexico, blah blah..I know, I've heard and seen this before. A few are quite serious about it...mainly those in the MECHA organization around where I'm from (I live in California)...so yeah that's a problem.

Answer 9

The term pro immigration reform could fit all of us but each sides reform could be very different. I think of some of the pro's as wanting to support the illegal immigrants that are already here (minus the gangs and hardened criminals) and many of the anti's are also pro reform, but much stronger on enforcement and putting the citizen first. Our reforms may be different but many anti's as well as pro's are for a reform and enforcement of the borders. By the way the visa system is also an area that needs to be reformed, it is abused and seriously broken.....

Answer 10

I understand your compassionate desire to help the unfortunate and sometimes desperate situations of the illegal immigrants. But changing the system to just allow all of them in would not solve anything.

We need to help the countries to the south to help those in their own country to be able to find decent employment that will pay enough to keep them from coming here illegally. Then if they still wanted to come to the USA, they could come legally like so many other immigrants from other parts of the world.