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you denied God while you don't know, and if you said Jesus and God are the same, then i tell you not:

" ......BECAUSE THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I AM"
john 14:28 reads--


Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God.
John 8:54

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 19:17

Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me
John 7:16

"my God! my God! why haven't forsaken me?"

"Hear o Israel, the lord our God is one"

1st commandment: you shall not take other gods before Me! (God)

you denied God while you don't know!

2007-08-16 17:14:41 · 13 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

13 answers

Yes you are correct.
Consider these points from the Trinity Brochure:
Jesus Continues Subordinate

IN HIS prehuman existence, and also when he was on earth, Jesus was subordinate to God. After his resurrection, he continues to be in a subordinate, secondary position.

Speaking of the resurrection of Jesus, Peter and those with him told the Jewish Sanhedrin: “God exalted this one [Jesus] . . . to his right hand.” (Acts 5:31) Paul said: “God exalted him to a superior position.” (Philippians 2:9) If Jesus had been God, how could Jesus have been exalted, that is, raised to a higher position than he had previously enjoyed? He would already have been an exalted part of the Trinity. If, before his exaltation, Jesus had been equal to God, exalting him any further would have made him superior to God.

Paul also said that Christ entered “heaven itself, so that he could appear in the actual presence of God on our behalf.” (Hebrews 9:24, JB) If you appear in someone else’s presence, how can you be that person? You cannot. You must be different and separate.

Similarly, just before being stoned to death, the martyr Stephen “gazed into heaven and caught sight of God’s glory and of Jesus standing at God’s right hand.” (Acts 7:55) Clearly, he saw two separate individuals—but no holy spirit, no Trinity Godhead.

In the account at Revelation 4:8 to 5:7, God is shown seated on his heavenly throne, but Jesus is not. He has to approach God to take a scroll from God’s right hand. This shows that in heaven Jesus is not God but is separate from him.

In agreement with the foregoing, the Bulletin of the John Rylands Library in Manchester, England, states: “In his post-resurrection heavenly life, Jesus is portrayed as retaining a personal individuality every bit as distinct and separate from the person of God as was his in his life on earth as the terrestrial Jesus. Alongside God and compared with God, he appears, indeed, as yet another heavenly being in God’s heavenly court, just as the angels were—though as God’s Son, he stands in a different category, and ranks far above them.”—Compare Philippians 2:11.

The Bulletin also says: “What, however, is said of his life and functions as the celestial Christ neither means nor implies that in divine status he stands on a par with God himself and is fully God. On the contrary, in the New Testament picture of his heavenly person and ministry we behold a figure both separate from and subordinate to God.”

In the everlasting future in heaven, Jesus will continue to be a separate, subordinate servant of God. The Bible expresses it this way: “After that will come the end, when he [Jesus in heaven] will hand over the kingdom to God the Father . . . Then the Son himself will be subjected to the One who has subjected everything to him, so that God may be all in all.”—1 Corinthians 15:24, 28, NJB.

Jesus Never Claimed to Be God

THE Bible’s position is clear. Not only is Almighty God, Jehovah, a personality separate from Jesus but He is at all times his superior. Jesus is always presented as separate and lesser, a humble servant of God. That is why the Bible plainly says that “the head of the Christ is God” in the same way that “the head of every man is the Christ.” (1 Corinthians 11:3) And this is why Jesus himself said: “The Father is greater than I.”—John 14:28, RS, Catholic edition.

The fact is that Jesus is not God and never claimed to be. This is being recognized by an increasing number of scholars. As the Rylands Bulletin states: “The fact has to be faced that New Testament research over, say, the last thirty or forty years has been leading an increasing number of reputable New Testament scholars to the conclusion that Jesus . . . certainly never believed himself to be God.”

The Bulletin also says of first-century Christians: “When, therefore, they assigned [Jesus] such honorific titles as Christ, Son of man, Son of God and Lord, these were ways of saying not that he was God, but that he did God’s work.”

Thus, even some religious scholars admit that the idea of Jesus’ being God opposes the entire testimony of the Bible. There, God is always the superior, and Jesus is the subordinate servant.

2007-08-16 17:22:19 · answer #1 · answered by Tim 47 7 · 0 2

the Father was in Heaven, no? Jesus said He hadn't entered into His glory yet. if the Father has a greater stature (in both senses) then He is indeed greater. that doesn't mean Jesus isn't God.

in that same passage it refers to Abraham wanted to see "his" (Jesus') day. well, the Old Testament prophets prophesied about the day of the Lord. hmmmm. the Lord is derived from the Hebrew for "I AM" in the eternal tense, YWH.

it was a rhetoruical question. in the Old Testament, when the Lord wanted someone to realize their own motives or limitations, He asked a rhetorical question, such as the sequence with Job. Jesus was the first to agree with Romans 2:14, in saying that man can recognize what is good and what is Good. it's more like "why do YOU call me Good?". the man recognized like many that Jesus was Godly, special, whatever. it leaves us the question: why do YOU call Jesus Good?

Jesus, being the Living Word got everything from the Author. a book doesn't write itself, but rather is written. The Word is of the Father, begotten of the Father, as He is one with His word and it is with Him always.

Jesus, being 100% and 100% God was still 100% man. and man had to pray. He did feel like His Father had rejected Him, the human side of Him anyway. The Father did after all look away.

exactly. Three in ONE. 1x1x1=1

exactly. you shalll have no other gods before Him. and in the beginning, God said let US make man. angels don't create. The Word is mentioned, the Creator is mentioned, and the Spirit are all mentioned at creation.

2007-08-16 17:37:34 · answer #2 · answered by Hey, Ray 6 · 1 1

Genesis 1
1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

(Spirit of God - God in Spirit - the Holy Ghost)

26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

"Let US make man........" Us as in "He's" not alone here - It's the Father, the Son (pre-man), and the Spirit as is mentioned above.

Also, did you note "let THEM rule ove the fish....." THEM as in more than one created man. This is the first indication that God made more than one man at the time He made Adam.

It's called "the Godhead". You really need to just understand the Trinity first before you try to discredit it.

But hey, good try - may the Lord be with you. Oops, now who's HE?

katiefish <><

2007-08-16 17:31:31 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

John 14:13

What is the proper style or format for Biblical prayer are praise.

Jesus said"whatever you ask in my name,that I will do,that my Father may be glorifed in me....We are to pray to God the father in Jesus name because Jesus is the advocate. God gave him his authority. Jesus is the author and the finisher of our faith. Hebrews chapter 12.

2007-08-16 17:39:31 · answer #4 · answered by God is love. 6 · 0 0

The Trinity is something you have to get your mind, body, and spirit around. They are the same but fulfill different areas. God is Lord and is the Holy Spirit. And for my it goes beyond that. I have a whole army behind me - In addition to my Father God, I have the Lord, the Holy Spirit, Wisdom, Triumph, Victory. Not to mention my guardian angels... How can I possibly fail? Know it - excersise it.

2007-08-16 17:29:23 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

I worship a man named Jesus; who was and is God incarnate....and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6.

Phillip saith unto him, Lord shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Phillip?.....

Jesus was the creator God, the word made flesh. He is and was God manifesting as the Savior and he is and was God now manifesting as the Holy Ghost. Not three persons but three revelations. Subordinate only in flesh that as the second Adam he became us that we might become him.

Almighty God reducing himself to a blood cell; and finding himself in the form of a man;set aside his glory and suffered death that he might redeem us to himself. Not only my savior but my Father, my brother, my sister and my mother. He is my everything. He is even the bridegroom and the husband of his church!

It was this same Christ in Jesus who showed himself to Moses in the burning bush and guided the children of Israel through the desert. The same Christ that was the tree of life in the Garden of Eden, that showed his "physical back" to Moses; who wrestled with Jacob; who as Melchizedek served communion to Abraham; and who abides in the hearts of his children today.

2007-08-16 19:38:54 · answer #6 · answered by Tommy 6 · 0 1

Psalm 45
7 You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.

If he wasn't God, then why did God call Him God?

2007-08-16 17:35:07 · answer #7 · answered by Christian Sinner 7 · 0 0

Yes but you forgot to post the verse where he proclaims himself to be a god. Confused? Don't be, Jesus was a pagan polytheist and not many noticed.

2007-08-16 17:22:02 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 0 3

Selfishness and pettiness are our flaws. God bless.

2007-08-16 17:23:43 · answer #9 · answered by jamoca 7 · 1 0

When we glorfiy Jesus, we are glorifying God. When we Love Jesus, we are Loving God. This is all in the bible. If we hate Jesus, we are hating God.

2007-08-16 17:21:12 · answer #10 · answered by Anonymous · 1 3

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