The F-22A Raptor vs. The SU-37 Terminator?

Question

Who's the better? Who will win in a dogfight?

Answer 1

Dogfight...

Guns, snapshot missiles and all that gory, stealth wont do the F/A-22 much good, the Su-37 packs IIR missiles and tracker, two powerful radars, 360° engagement capability.

One on One (meaning no AWACS), it would be a close call. My money is on the Terminator. The Archers will seek out the Raptor before the Slammer or the 'Winder-X gets a lock on.
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Honza, the '37 sure is extinct, but the Su-35s are still there. I dont understand why the people consider it as a Ballet dancer while it is a heavyweight prizefighter with offensive capabilities exceeding that of the Raptor.The Terminator can dance well, but when it comes to fighting, it will be the punches. And the Terminator is quite a puncher, 12 hardpoints, covering 360° degrees, you bet the Su-35 aint gonna do a Kulbit, it will be shooting two Archers to where the Raptor's radar signals come from.
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BRYAN L, the pilot of the Raptor too needs to detect the Su-35/37. He needs to switch on his radar, and that is the giveaway. The Raptor is of no harm till it locates the enemy and for locating the enemy, the Raptor needs to disclose itself. There is no stealth, the Raptor cannot track something passively and cue its weapons. The Terminator can!

Answer 2

At short range the latest IR missiles are all aspect and can be launched over-the-shoulder. Look at it, lock it up, press the button. ASRAAM and AIM-9X don't need to be fired in the direction of the target. So if you are within visual range and don't have the same capability then you are already toast. If you do then everybody is toast.

I am often amused, as a former UK defense engineer, by the unquestioning belief that the US public has in the rhetoric of the US defense industry. But in the case of the F-22 it is warranted. It is an answer to a generation of aircraft that the rest of the world never built, the Chinese have the money but not the technology, the USSR bankrupted themselves in the cold war so they can't afford to continue in this league. Terrorists don't do high tech development. The only other countries that could do the technology don't perceive the threat, so the F-22 doesn't have a peer. There's nothing similar. The F-15, JAS-39 and Typhoon can take anything the hostile world has. In a funny way the F-22 is a losing deal, wars are ultimately economic and the F-22 is a waste of money, it is a cost that isn't necessary and distracts from where it should have been spent. A replacement for the A-10 would have been cheaper and much more useful.

For the guy below: the figures aren't enough, you need to consider the look and shoot capabilities of the modern helmet mounted sight and short range thrust vectored missile combo. At a few miles the PK is almost 1.0 for a single shot. Then there's SFC, soviet engines have tended to be inefficient, the F-22 is very efficient, so it can continue to manoeuver hard for longer, not that it would need to. Even if it did come down to it, the F-22 has a better power to weight ratio too. You believe the service ceiling on the F-22, not that it makes any difference, but that's just a standard claim like nuclear submarines that do 30kts.

Answer 3

why engage in dogfight when you are able to take out enemy weel before he knows who is firing upon him?

once again, I would like to stress that the spectacular maneuvers of sSUkhoi family are of little or no use in the air combat. aircraft turning 120 degrees per second around the lateral axis would not be able to keep a lock , yet even calculate the cannon firing solution. THe maneuver is useless against air defence systems, because these are able to knock the HOVERING helicopters. stalling aircraft is just another vulnerable target for a missile. regardless if the stall is intentional or not.

more than that... copy paste
The Su-37's life ended when T10M-11 (serialled 711) was lost in a crash on flying a ferry flight in Russia. The aircraft was not fitted with the TVC engines at the time of the crash. No other Su-35s have been converted to Su-37 specifications, nor has the Su-37 design entered production. The Su-37 was never an official designation recognized by the Russian Air Force. end of copy paste.


>firefox: I agree to the point, the missiles would decide this one vs. one battle and not the aircraft itself. Still I am not sure of tactical employment of the R27 radar homing version. I already was thinking of it regarding an optimum anti awacs weapon. anyway the most stressed features of the Su 37 are still the incredible maneuverability and not the missiles. 360 degrees attack envelope is feature only for the R 73 which unfortunately is not radar homing. I agree that the Raptor pilot would be a jerk to involve into dogfight close enough to allow the Sukhoi to use the helmet sights for locking of the Archer.
I just want to tell the people that not all the maneuvers are useful for gun fights, in which they are shown to be of most use. those maneuvers are simply to demonized. THe SUkhoi is a real great piece of machinery. Russian pilots showing it know their job very well. but.. there are still two pretty hot engines with 0 airspeed there and acceleration uncomparable to those of even the sidewinger missile family.

Answer 4

Su 37 Terminator

Answer 5

It's interesting to note that most responders suggest the F-22s better missiles and avionics will allow it to beat the Su-37. This was the same view the Americans had when they started the air war in Vietnam and they were embarrassed by less sophisticated aircraft flown by poorly trained pilots until they realized that dogfighting is far from over.

As far as stealth goes, it has never been used except by bombers. Fighters have to use their radar to find other fighters and open their weapons bay to shoot, eliminating the stealth advantage. Also the profiles that the fighters fly will not be that stealthy (high altitudes, maneuvering, etc).

So, from the 'merge' (head to head pass at the same altitude so there is no surprise or energy advantage) the SU-37 would wax the F-22. Fancy radars and missiles are quite useless at close range and stealth doesn't work when you are in visual range.

Answer 6

F-22a raptor hands down, first of all the pilot flying the SU-37 has to locate the Raptor first, that where stealth comes in.

Answer 7

F-22A Raptor blows the SU-37 away, mainly because of it's stealth technology.

Answer 8

The truth is that fighters almost NEVER operate alone.

With that in mind, the F-22's can illuminate targets and securely datalink the positions to each other.

So, while the SU-37's are focused on defeating the F-22 that is illuminating them from afar, they will never see his wingmen that are sneaking up to wipe out their entire formation.

Answer 9

F-22 Raptor because of Stealth.

Answer 10

I see a lot of talk from people who have never really pitted against a large nation against another large nation. The main thing is Russia and china are allies so there will be a lot more in the skys then what we have.Another note they tend to stay home where they belong and don't tramp around the world like the warmongers in the us, so you will have greater numbers from Russia to respond then the us will have with your side,now that the world knows your are the new KGB and spying on all your allies.