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Or is being able to gain some pleasure from tormenting people just a little mercy that the G-man leaves to his once-favourite now-fallen angel?

2007-08-16 01:10:07 · 17 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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*Shudders*

If it doesn't say it in the bible, the christians will make up their own funny little stories to explain it, and ignore the fact that none of theirs match up.
The Jews on the other hand wouldn't count this as a valid question in the first because they would disagree with the second.

And since there can be no agreement of just what the deal is with Satan in the first place... whether he derives pleasure from fiddling with peoples lives is a moot point.

2007-08-16 11:17:52 · answer #1 · answered by Dire Badger 4 · 3 1

THIS ANSWER IS LONG, BUT IT'S NOT A CRAZY RANT.

I CAN ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT YOU CAN READ THIS WITHOUT GETTING A HEADACHE.

The concept of Satan comes from a misunderstanding of the Hebrew text mixed with a little Zoroastrianism.

The word "satan" in Hebrew means "adversary," and it is used as such:

"And the princes of the Philistines were angry with him; and the princes of the Philistines said to him, Make this fellow return, that he may go back to his place which you have appointed him, and let him not go down with us to battle, lest in the battle he be an *adversary* to us; for how should he reconcile himself to his master? should it not be with the heads of these men?"
~ I Samuel 29:4

"And David said, What have I to do with you, you sons of Zeruiah, that you should this day be *adversaries* to me?..."
~ II Samuel 19:23.

Then we have the phrase, "the adversary" (ha-satan). You can see this in Zecharia 3:1-2:

"And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the L-RD, and *Satan* standing at his right hand to thwart him. And the L-RD said to Satan, The L-RD rebukes you, O *Satan;* the L-RD that has chosen Jerusalem rebukes you. Is not this a brand plucked out of the fire?"

In it's historical context, this adversary refers to the Samaritan people and a high ranking official in the Persian government. On a metaphoric level, this adversary is the prosecutor for Joshua ha-Kohen in the heavenly court. The prosecutor in the heavenly court is no more evil, banished, or fallen than the prosecutor in our justice system. He merely fulfills a role and is a servant of the Judge.

Many people take Isaiah 14:12 ("How are you fallen from heaven, O bright star [or shining one], son of the morning [or son of dawn]! how are you cut down to the ground, you who ruled the nations!") out of context and say that it refers to a separate entity called "Lucifer". "Lucifer" is just how you say, "bright star" or "shining one" in Latin. In scriptural and historical context, this "bright star" is referring to the Babylonian empire who's main god was Ishtar (morning star). Isaiah says "bright star" instead of "Ishtar" in accordance with the Jewish tradition to avoid even saying the name of a false god.

Then, of course, there is the satan of the book of Job. The book of Job is a story meant to help us think about a concept; it's included in the part of the Hebrew Bible called "writings" (as opposed to "prophets" or "law"). In this story, again, the satan is a servant of God and teaching tool.

According to the Hebrew Bible, God ALONE is the creator of all things; the good and the evil.

"I am the Lord, and there is none else, beside Me there is no God; I have girded you, though you have not known Me; That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside Me; I am the Lord; and there is none else; I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace, and create evil; I am the Lord, that does all these things."
~ Isaiah 45: 5-7

The concept of an independent evil force that struggles against a good force in some kind of cosmic good vs. evil battle is a foreign one that likely comes from Zoroastrian influences concerning "Angra Mainyu" and "Ahura Mazda".

The Hebrew concept of the satan can be seen as a gift to mankind so that we could be blessed with free will. If someone were to offer you your choice of dessert: a bowl of worms or a slice of chocolate cake, do you really have a choice? God wants us to have free will. On it's own evil things are not tempting. So, God's servant makes evil things look like something desirable so that we can have a choice. If the options both look like chocolate cake, you can really chose one over the other.

2007-08-16 02:39:52 · answer #2 · answered by Aliya 2 · 1 0

Grace(not law) unto you, and peace(not division),
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus-->Christ.

Fear hath torment: 1John 4, and
Perfect Love(God) hath no fear(torment).
The root cause of fear(hath torment) is law.
So then the "tormentor" is allegorically the law.

Plural Psalms & Proverbs both tell us the source of fear:
fear "of the LORD" is the beginning (not end) of wisdom
(James 3 compares two wisdoms, and two ends thereof)
fear "of the LORD" is the "beginning" of knowledge
(IMP-ish law knowledge shall vanish: 1Cor 13:8)

The LORD is obviously not God, if
Noah's commanded contrary things by LORD & God, and
if the day of the LORD is darkness, and not light: Amos 5;
For the day of God is notably light having no darkness at all.
Allegory: (7th) day (light) of Grace has no law law in it at all;
For Grace is smarter ("sharper": Heb 4) than any law law,
of say: Mt 22:36-40 law law, or of say: Rom 8:2 law vs law.
For in Mt 22 law law "the second is like the first";
And in Rom 8 law law the first is "sin and death".

As for Satan, the only man called Satan in Bible is Peter,
Who is told get thee behind me: 'as is' calling him Dung;
And also notably told "when"(not if) you're converted...
So even Satan(Peter) gets converted, from law to grace,
as noted by converted Peter, converted by Paul's epistles.

Satan, Devil, Lucifer, Dragon, that old serpent, etc,
are all allegories for the Law is what torments people.
Pst: in Deuteronomy 34:12 the law is a "great terror"-ist.

Ye are not under the law, but under grace, IF led of the Spirit.
If not led of the Spirit(Grace), chances are you'll be tormented.
Law torments ppl with fines, tickets, licences, taxes, or worse:
Falsely accused, or wrongly convicted, RUINS a person's life.

Pst: there is no discomfort at all in "the God of all comfort".

The GRACE of our Lord Jesus Christ with you all. Amen.

2007-08-16 01:57:14 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 1

a million there is not any eternal suffering. the days of this earth are numbered. So is hell. Hell is someplace interior the centre of this earth (spiritually, you are able to no longer see it with bare eyes). 2 smash undesirable souls? Hell is unquestionably a penal complex. You pass there to pay for each and all the undesirable deeds you have completed. After value is done, reborn to earth. Given yet another risk to settle for Christ. 3 the only man or woman who reveals satisfaction in human and animal suffering is devil. devil is the single that impacts your incorrect judgements into sin, no longer God.

2016-10-10 08:28:09 · answer #4 · answered by ? 4 · 0 0

Satan doesn't enjoy anything. Everyone is his enemy, especially God, and the way Satan gets back at God is to attempt to corrupt His creations. He torments people for the express purpose of getting them eternally damned. Jesus offers forgiveness to prevent that from happening to those who ask for His forgiveness.

2007-08-16 01:20:23 · answer #5 · answered by dweebken 5 · 1 1

Satan get no enjoyment only torment he wants everyone in the same boat is all and yes he was sent as punishment. There is no mercy for Satan eventually he will be obliviated.

2007-08-16 01:18:39 · answer #6 · answered by LaptopJesus 5 · 1 2

The name Satan means deceiver, Devil means liar. That being said he lives up to his namesakes.
Right now he's within the vicinity of the whole inhabited earth misleading and turning people away from God.--Re 12:9. His punishment will be his destruction.--Re 20:10,14. Faithful servants of God have lived and died and many more will yet receive their reward. "Who then can condemn? No one! Christ Jesus who died--more than that, who was raised to life--is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?"--Ro 8:34,35.

This is the scenario on earth.

2007-08-16 01:55:53 · answer #7 · answered by Marina 1 6 · 0 1

Satan has no powers other than those given to him by God. He serves as God's prosecuting attorney, the accuser. It is one's own guilt that causes the burning humiliation of shame.

2007-08-16 01:19:07 · answer #8 · answered by Hatikvah 7 · 2 0

Satan lives to torment, he was cast to the Earth, his eventual eternity will be the lake of fire.

2007-08-16 01:19:44 · answer #9 · answered by ? 7 · 3 1

Satan was cast from heaven down onto the earth. Satan has never been to hell, although that is his ultimate destination.

2007-08-16 01:16:05 · answer #10 · answered by Graham 5 · 1 2

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