How can honor killing possibly be Islamic when the scriptures themselves forbid this?

Question

Islam says to stone the rapist. And the woman is free to live her life as she normally would. This does not mean that women are killed in societies where men run things and play the victim after victimizing somebody. It means that their actions, while calling themselves Muslim in name only, are unIslamic. What is your take on this?

During the time of the Prophet (saw) punishment was inflicted on the rapist on the solitary evidence of the woman who was raped by him. Wa'il ibn Hujr reports of an incident when a woman was raped. Later, when some people came by, she identified and accused the man of raping her. They seized him and brought him to Allah's messenger, who said to the woman, "Go away, for Allâh has forgiven you," but of the man who had raped her, he said, "Stone him to death." (Tirmidhi and Abu Dawud)

During the time when Umar (raa) was the Khalifah, a woman accused his son Abu Shahmah of raping her; she brought the infant borne of this incident with her to the mosque and publicly spoke about what had happened. Umar (raa) asked his son who acknowledged committing the crime and was duly punished right there and then. There was no punishment given to the woman. (Rauf)

Al-Dasuqi held that if a person forced a woman to have sex, his actions would be deemed as committing hiraba. In addition, the Maliki judge Ibn ‘Arabi, relates a story in which a group was attacked and a woman in their party was raped. Responding to the argument that the crime did not constitute hiraba because no money was taken and no weapons used, Ibn ‘Arabi replied indignantly that "hiraba with the private parts" is much worse than hiraba involving the taking of money, and that anyone would rather be subjected to the latter than the former.

The crime of rape is classified not as a subcategory of ‘zina’ (con

Al-Dasuqi held that if a person forced a woman to have sex, his actions would be deemed as committing hiraba. In addition, the Maliki judge Ibn ‘Arabi, relates a story in which a group was attacked and a woman in their party was raped. Responding to the argument that the crime did not constitute hiraba because no money was taken and no weapons used, Ibn ‘Arabi replied indignantly that "hiraba with the private parts" is much worse than hiraba involving the taking of money, and that anyone would rather be subjected to the latter than the former.

The crime of rape is classified not as a subcategory of ‘zina’ (consensual adultery), but rather as a separate crime of violence under hiraba. This classification is logical, as the "taking" is of the victim’s property (the rape victim’s sexual autonomy) by force.

Answer 1

i agree with what you have said and in the case of rape the rapist (man) is punished. im sure i read ina hadith somewhere that those guilty of formnifcation (man or woman) should be flogged with a hundered stripes as punishment. honour killings are not mentioned in islam yet people still carry them out. i was wondering sister in islam what should be the case of pre- martial sex? what is the punishemnt? do you know thanks

Answer 2

Of course such a person isn't a Muslim, he is a hypocrite.
And on the second case, males have strong desires, comparatively. And it wasn't the woman's fault. But if it is voluntary, then of course, both have to be either stoned to death, or punished with 100 stripes, as in the Quran, start of surah al-Noor

Answer 3

Ill give you my take but you have to reply me honestly.
Among muslims honour killings are carried out if the woman marries of her own choice. Now own choice can also mean that a muslim woman marries out of her religion.
What is the take of Islam if a muslim woman marries a non muslim?

As regards that woman who was raped & her alleged rapist stoned to death all I have to say is that there are any number of women in our times also who cast false allegations on men of raping them for any number of reasons ie. the man might have promised to marry her but backed out...etc.
So here justice has definitely not been done as the man was killed solely on the basis of the testimony of the woman.

Answer 4

Well how many christians follow Christ either? Just read what Christ said and you determine the truth. "Turn about is fair play." According to Western Tradition, so there. You can't beat us. No way. We're the biggest. The badest. Nana nana na na.

Answer 5

probably the same way any number of silly things are justified by scripture - loose interpretations, wishful thinking, picking the bits you like and discarding the rest.

by the way - do you support the death penalty for rape (by stoning??)

Answer 6

Islam also ensures that wimons voice is only worth a quarter of a mans in court (in other words worthless) thereby ensureing that man can do what he wants and wimen are suppressed. I note that you fail to link to text supporting your claim that "How can honor killing possibly be Islamic"

Answer 7

There are many contradictory rules in the Quran. Mohammed says in one part to allow others to have their own religion, then in another to kill nonbelievers where ever you find them. Suprising why there are so many separate interpretations. Honor killings probably depend on what parts you choose to obey.

Answer 8

Religion and culture are a very deadly mix!

Answer 9

Whatever killing is wrong unless self defence.....!