First question was about predestined for salvation, This question is in regards to predestined for judgement.
Is there a such thing as predestined for judgement? if so, or not, why? think about it before you answer. remember, God said about Pharoah, "For this cause I raised you up to show my power..." God hardened Pharoahs heart so that he would resist Moses.
So, is it possible to be predestined for judgement?
2007-08-15 00:03:52 · 6 answers · asked by Fugitive Peices 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
if there is predestined for salvation would not there also be predestinated for judgment because if one is not being predestined to be saved then are not they being predestined to be judged.
i am not sure that the example is the stongest support for predestined for judgement, but it does seem to indicate pharoah would resist God and doing the right thing and that God's rath would come upon pharoah.
whenever i really heard and thought about what God said of pharoah i struggled with it. it bothers me that God would harden pharoah's heart for God's glory. if God is omnipotent why does He have to harden pharoah's heart to show His power (that is the power of God). and what about pharoah's free will? is it a poor translation? is it that God knowing pharoah would have a hardened heart would use the opportunity to raise up Moses and show the glory, power, and might of God?
2007-08-15 09:47:06 · answer #1 · answered by :-D 3 · 0⤊ 0⤋
Well it depends on how you look at it. If you're a Calvinist you will most certainly believe this.
However, let us think about Pharoah for a second. Is he really going to be judged for an act that God conditioned him for or will he judge Pharoah for his other acts during his life?
2007-08-15 07:17:57 · answer #2 · answered by Emperor Insania Says Bye! 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
Questions of ultimate judgement generally have to involve the G-man...
.... and questions of possibility involving the G-man are ludicrous by their very nature... as the compulsory answer is always "yes" when omnipotence is in the question.
Therefore this question is ridiculous.
2007-08-15 07:10:45 · answer #3 · answered by Lucid Interrogator 5 · 0⤊ 1⤋
In studying theology you have to be careful how you define things. The Bible is clear that God has chosen to save certain people before the foundation of the earth.
Ephesians 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, 4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.
It also teaches that God has to draw people to Jesus and give them the gift of faith in order for them to be saved.
John 6:43 Jesus answered them, "Do not grumble among yourselves. 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.
But when you ask questions about God predestining people to be judged and go to Hell you have to be careful. God sent his Son to this world not that He might condemn the world but that through Him the world might be saved. The gospel call is for "whosoever will believe on Him". No where do you find that God is the author of sin or that He rejects anyone who turns to Him to be saved.
So while the defacto result of God not exercising his saving grace in the lives of some people results in them standing condemned before Him at the judgment, God doesn't predestine them to that end in the sense that He actively prevents them from repenting of their sins and turning to Jesus for their salvation.
People ask "Well who are the ones whom God will save? Who are the elect of God?". The answer is everyone who repents of their sins and trusts in Jesus as their Lord and Savior. If you want to be saved then do what God says and you will be one of the elect on your way to Heaven.
Click on the Get Saved button @ http://web.express56.com/~bromar/ for more info.
2007-08-15 07:25:40 · answer #4 · answered by Martin S 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
IF there is a God ( and surely there is not) which predetermines everything, then it would stand to reason that this God also predetermined that I should be Atheist, so why would believers try to interfere with a Perfect God's perfectly predetermined plan for my life?
DO you see how convoluted your logic is?
2007-08-15 07:13:26 · answer #5 · answered by Socratic Pig 3 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Only Jews truly have free will. Everyone else is God's plaything.
2007-08-15 07:10:12 · answer #6 · answered by Why? 2 · 0⤊ 2⤋