Once and for all, is Homosexuality a choice or not, and is it wrong to act upon your homosexuality? Must read?

Question

Given: The bible condemns homosexuality in both the OT and NT.
Given: Christians believe that homosexuality is an unforgivable sin and strongly oppose of it.
Given: Some Christians believe that homosexuality is a “choice”.
Given: Some Christians accept that homosexuality is not a choice but nevertheless a sin. These Christians hold that it is alright to have homosexual feelings since it is not your choice, but you are not allowed to act upon those feelings or you’re considered guilty. These Christians view that homosexual feelings are identical to the urge to murder, steal, rape, etc., thus you can have those feelings but you cannot act upon them.

1st Argument: Is homosexuality a choice or not?
Analysis: One must ask:
1. What is the incentive of being gay?
(The answer is none.)
2. So why would someone choose to be gay?
(No one in their right mind would choose to be gay.)

3. If homosexuality is merely a choice of sexual preference, then why is it that male homosexuals tend to show feminine tendencies and characteristics too?
(That is because it is not a choice, but it is genetical, and therefore they tend to show feminine characteristics. Why would a guy want to act like a girl so that he could be ridiculed at? )
4. Could your surrounding environment have an impact on your sexuality?
(I was born with two twin brothers who were raised in the exact same environment as me. We had a very normal, healthy family with no sexual abuses; we were virtually never exposed to any homosexual information. But somehow I turned out to be gay while my two brothers are heterosexuals. I always wanted and still want to be straight, but I can’t. This pretty much proves my point.)

1st Argument Conclusion: People are born homosexual.

2nd Argument: If homosexuality is indeed not a choice, are homosexuals considered sinful if they act upon their homosexuality?
Analysis: One must ask:
1. Can homosexuality be compared to murdering, stealing, raping, and etc., in the same sense?
(No! What Christians don’t seem to understand is that murdering, stealing, raping, and etc., all harms another person. To steal from someone you are hurting someone else. And others’“valuables” is the incentive of your stealing. Whereas homosexual sex DO NOT harm others. And there is no incentive to being homosexual. It really bugs me when Christians compare homosexuality to those things!)

2. Is there any difference in the morality between heterosexual relationships and homosexual relationships?
(No, there is none. It is really a personal issue and it doesn’t hurt anyone else.)

2nd Argument Conclusion: Homosexuals have every right to have sex as heterosexuals do.

Ultimate Conclusion: People are born homosexual and they have every right to have sexual relationships like any normal heterosexual do!

*Personal opinion (Shared by many other LOGICAL people): For Christians to ignore this fact makes them the most annoying hypocrites in the history of mankind!

Answer 1

Excellent!!

Now let me just remind you that only a mere 6% of Americans who *profess* Christianity are the PSEUDO-Christian dolts and bigots of the RRR Cult. And THAT very noisy, noxious, and noisome faction, which lyingly CLAIMS to be Christian, but doesn't have a Christian neuron in its entire sorry excuse for a collective brain, is the SOURCE of the Anti-Gay Rights and Anti-Choice (on abortion) lying propaganda. They are dedicated, 24/7, to **destroying** vital personal rights and liberties, and they give Christianity a VERY bad name and ugly black eye.

The **other** 94% of Americans who profess Christianity are your normal, work-a-day, sensible, generally intelligent, fair-minded, usually quite tolerant, hate-agenda-free, and ordinary next-door neighbors. There are **250 million** of us -- so if WE were *anything* like those hateful bigots of the RRR Cult (there are only 15 million of them) -- society would surely know it.

So please DON'T confuse US with the doltish bigots of the RRR!

So is the RRR Cult dangerous to America? Consider THIS:

RRR : Society :: 5% arsenic solution : glass of drinking water

America won't be safe from that threat until their loathsome, mindless, and UN-Christian hate-agendas have safely become EXTINCT, and thus will have joined those of the segregationists in history's dustbin.

Answer 2

1) Sin doesn't exist, individually. But i am no longer Christian. 2) Sexuality is a important part of who a individual is. Being religious or nonreligious is a option that changes periodically for the duration of life. I put sexuality above belief because one has a long way extra impact on existence than the opposite, and one is extra normal than the opposite. So, the statements that sacred texts make on sexuality have little to no which means to me. 3) it is my belief that most homosexuals are born homosexual. As i'm agnostic, i've an awfully specified definition of what God is that if God exists. So, if God exists, then God made all people the best way they're. If God does no longer exist, then I suppose scientists will to find that sexuality is wired into our genes. My personal and unscientific proof is that each gay i do know has at the least one other relative who is gay. 4) frequently, homosexuality is a option. I do understand of 1 lady who selected to be a lesbian for a at the same time, then she selected to be straight. I suppose she was going by means of a segment in life, and she or he did it out of curiosity and the must get concentration from any individual. These humans are probably poseurs. 5) the motivation of being homosexual isn't having to deal with getting pregnant! Gay people even have a community that embraces them with open palms, and they are gaining more and more defense from the government. (All excellent matters for my part.)

Answer 3

1) Sin doesn't exist, in my opinion. But I'm not Christian.

2) Sexuality is a major part of who a person is. Being religious or nonreligious is a choice that changes periodically throughout life. I put sexuality above belief because one has far more influence on life than the other, and one is more natural than the other. So, the statements that sacred texts make on sexuality have little to no meaning to me.

3) It is my belief that most homosexuals are born gay. As I'm agnostic, I have a very specific definition of what God is if God exists. So, if God exists, then God made everyone the way they are. If God does not exist, then I believe scientists will find that sexuality is wired into our genes. My personal and unscientific evidence is that every homosexual I know has at least one other relative who is gay.

4) SOMETIMES, homosexuality is a choice. I do know of one woman who chose to be a lesbian for a while, then she chose to be straight. I think she was going through a phase in life, and she did it out of curiosity and the need to get attention from someone. These people are usually poseurs.

5) The incentive of being gay is not having to deal with getting pregnant! Gay people also have a community that embraces them with open arms, and they are gaining more and more protection from the government. (All good things in my opinion.)

Answer 4

All your arguments are just rhetoric.

I believe there is a spectrum when it comes to sexual orientation. Some people, born at either end of the spectrum probably couldn't tolerate having sex with the "wrong" sex. ie, some guys would not even want to imagine having sex with another male. Some males probably couldn't bring themselves to have sex with a woman. For these people there is no choice. Then there are others in between. They may experiment a little, or possibly entertain the idea. If they enjoy the experience and fall in love with the person, then they may choose to have sex with the same gender. Howeover, if they live in a society intolerant of homosexuality, then they may choose not to follow their heart. For those at the extreme of the spectrum, it is something they need to work out for themselves whether they have the mettle to deal with the ostracism, prejudice and inequality of laws that discrimate them.

I don't believe there is a right or wrong, only what feels right. If it feels right to have a sex with a woman, then do that. If not then have a relationship with the same sex.

Don't even bring Christianity into it. There is no proof that the bible is the "word of God."

The incentive of being gay is being true to one's heart.

I'm not gay btw, not that I would embarrassed if I were. I love my gay pals and most of them I must emphasise are not very effeminate.

Answer 5

Leviticus that bans homosexuality also allows you to keep slaves. Which is a problem because you are only allowed to keep them if they come from another country. Because due to the North American free trade agreement, are you allowed to keep Canadians and Mexicans as slaves, or only from other countries.

Ireland, where the constitution says God's law is above man's law, it is therefore legal to keep slaves. But the problem is that as part of the EU, the obviously can't enslave the French.

So do you want to follow the bible or not dude?

Jesus said, get the **** over it and move on...well his actual words were "turn the other cheek" but I like my translation.

Your main question was about choice. There is a moral distinction between being physically gay and just playing with sex.

If you are looking for a moral issue, there is one of lust. If you have had sex with people other than your spouse (before marriage) then you can't condemn gays as it is the same issue.

A lot of the taboos about sexuality concerned the issues that modern technology has solved. It is like eating pork. The taboo in the bible was about disease. With modern cooking and medical technology these is no longer an issue. A person can choose to follow a set of laws if they feel like it, but they shouldn't condemn others for not doing it.

Answer 6

You know, I would tend to agree with you, except I also believe that there are evil spirits around ready to tempt anyone into anything. After all, this is the religious section. I'm not comfortable in judging others, not even myself. What I seek is always how to mend brokeness. where the heartbreak comes for me is irrational anger and holding grudges all the time. How do I get over this? why is MY life so sad all the time? Is it sad? Am I ignoring something important? We all work with our own fallacies. So it is a good thing to re-examine our own motives once in a while. People will probably say: the Bible says it's evil and God hates it. God seems so cold and far away sometimes. But is that my fault for not cultivating that relationship, or His for not letting me know more clearly what I must do? So you see, we all have many questions and life just is so complicated. I read some things about what's going on in the spiritual world, like at Fatima Portugal or Kihebo, Rwanda, and I find myself caught up in the messages. Some messages are so harsh, and some are so sensible its unworldly. I just cling to what I feel is the best thing: do your best to be good. It is the only advice I have for anyone. I am sorry that you find this so troublesome. peace of Christ be with you.

Answer 7

An interesting question, though it seems you have answered it yourself. But let me take this ship to less choppy waters where a neutral person can delve a bit further.

If you look at homosexuality as a whole, the idea is not new. People have been doing this practice for years upon years through ancient times and onto the present. But let’s avoid religion as a whole as there are many religious groups who accept homosexual people without question. Let’s instead focus on your question:

“…is Homosexuality a choice or not and is it wrong to act upon your homosexuality?...”

I think in some parts it is a born trait. Perhaps an unbalance of some sorts in hormones or a different level of chemicals in the brain…who knows? I do know that genetically men and women are meant to be together for procreation purposes. I mean face it…I do not mean to be crude, but Tab ‘A’ does fit marvelously into slot ‘B’. But there are people who do not share any excitement for the opposite sex. If you look in the animal kingdom, there are animals that will mate with same sex partners. My conclusion is simple: If both humans and some animals share this trait, then it must be an innate thing hardwired in our brain.

I also feel that some people become gay on their own accord. Some people choose to be gay because it makes them feel excited to stray from the well trod path of their parents. Or perhaps a nasty break up or divorce forced them to re-evaluate their lives.

We have so much to learn about the human mind, that it is difficult to say what truly happens. Maybe it is a sort of switch that can be flipped on or off in the right circumstances…we’ll never know until society gets off its high horse and attempts to study gay and straight behavior instead of hiding from it.

But I defiantly can give you a great answer for the second part of the question: If you are gay…than be gay. Don’t try to be something you’re not. Get out there, grab a young man and live your life. The worst thing we can do is shut ourselves away because somebody says what we like is wrong. Embrace who you are and live your life to the fullest each day no matter who says you’re wrong or right. Because at the end of the day, no matter who you are, honestly do not have to answer to anyone…except yourself. I am not gay, but I certainly love and embrace life…and part of living ones life to the fullest is spending time with people you love…no matter the sex, color, or religion. Here’s one of the mottos I like to live by:

“I’m a rambler,
I’m a gambler,
I’m a long way from home,
And if you don’t like me,
Then leave me alone!”

Answer 8

a million) Sin does not exist, for my area. yet i'm no longer Christian. 2) Sexuality is a substantial area of who a individual is. Being non secular or nonreligious is a decision that ameliorations periodically for the time of existence. I placed sexuality above concept because of fact one has a lot extra effect on existence than the different, and one is extra organic than the different. So, the statements that sacred texts make on sexuality have little to no intending to me. 3) that is my concept that maximum homosexuals are born gay. As i'm agnostic, I also have a very particular definition of what God is that if God exists. So, if God exists, then God made all and sundry the way they're. If God does not exist, then i've got self assurance scientists will locate that sexuality is under pressure out into our genes. My very own and unscientific evidence is that each and every gay i understand has a minimum of another relative who's gay. 4) often times, homosexuality is a decision. i understand of one female who chosen to be a lesbian for a whilst, then she chosen to be straight away. i think of she replaced into dealing with a area in existence, and he or she did it out of interest and the might desire to get interest from somebody. those human beings are many times poseurs. 5) the inducement of being gay isn't having to handle getting pregnant! gay human beings certainly have an area that embraces them with open hands, and that they are gaining further and further risk-free practices from the government. (All sturdy issues for my area.)

Answer 9

Your wrong on this point....It is not an unforgivable sin.
I am not gay so i don't know if it's a choice or not if a gay person tells me it is or is not why should i not believe them.
We all have wrong desires as we are imperfect but with pray and concentrating on gods word we can over come our problems not always that easy i admit.
Regardless the bible does condemn homosexuality but Christians are told to love even our enemies (no i am not calling gays enemies) so I love gay people i just don't agree with their actions.
Remember why Jesus died , to forgive our sins yours and mine.
God bless you

As you may guess by my name i use chemicals It is an interesting question you pose about the environment. The chemical company's tell us this chemical is safe then many years later science changes and they say we need to change to a safe chemical. I am at greater risk than you as i am in contact every day but i sometimes wonder the affects these products have on us as a whole. I am not saying this is any reason why people maybe gay but everyone of us in the world is affected by man made chemicals.
I seen a report that many people who where carried in their mother during world war 2 had a high incidence of homosexuality when they grew up. Scientists believed it was an affect due to the stress of the mother during those war time years

Answer 10

The Bible does not condemn homosexuality, it does not mention consenting homosexual relationships at all, the word homosexual does not occur anywhere in the Bible except in bad translations.

While the Bible says nothing about consenting gay relationships, it does appear to condemn pederasty, same-sex rape and sacred same-sex temple "prostitution" but none of these are features of consenting homosexual relationships.

The acts condemned in the Bible were probably widely practised at the time by otherwise married heterosexual men...it was very commonplace then for married men to have sex with their young male slaves (Leviticus), same-sex rape was a form of humiliation typically inflicted upon conquered enemies and in the story of Sodom we read of the possible attempted sexual humiliation of strangers (angels), sacred same-sex temple "prostitution" (Romans) was in fact not considered prostitution at the time and was a common way of uniting physically with the deity of the Pagan temple. These things are not homosexuality per se so it is wrong to refer to them as homosexuality. Just as it is wrong to refer to heterosexual paedophilia, rape and temple "prostitution" as heterosexuality.

Consenting homosexual relationships are not condemned in the Bible, not sinful nor a crime. Homosexuality is a normal human variation like height or IQ, the APA and the whole medical profession worldwide supports this position.

Answer 11

I have no absolute knowledge on weather or not homosexuality is a choice. Abstinence is a more dangerous act and is , in fact, a choice. The bible also calls for a death penalty if you eat catfish. I have never performed these acts of horrible sin but I cave catfish and gay people for friends.