DEAR CHRISTIANS: A question about the trinity, please do answer.?

Question

Before I say anything, I want to say i'm not implying anything, i'm asking for your input and opinions.

According to the Biblical term in the old testament and New Testament, Every God fearing person is called 'son of God'

Matthew 5:9 "Blessed are the peace-makers, for they shall be called the children of God"
Then there are Matthew 23:8, 23:9, 24:36, and 26:39

I want to know if Jesus(Pbuh) ever in direct words mentioned himself as "God", or in the form of one.. because there are many verses in the Bible, where Jesus is worshipping in solitude, and says "God Why have you forsaken me" when he is being crusified.

Also, I have a lot of Christian friends, and many of them have said to me that true Christians reject the trinity, so I wanted to know your opinion. Thanks

Peace&Love

Answer 1

Great question, and spoken honestly without prejudice and guile. Thus you will get an honest answer from me.

Jesus did say that "I and the Father are One." Sorry, I can't give you a reference for that right away. Search an online Bible and you will find it.

When his disciples asked, "show us the Father," He said "If you have seen me you have seen the Father."

When the angel told Mary she was pregnant by the power of the Holy Spirit (by God) she was told the child would be called 'emmanuel' which means "God with us."

The concept of the trinity is a core part of Christianity - without accepting that Jesus is God, one cannot really be a Christian. This was affirmed by the earliest creeds written before 400AD (ref. Nicean, Athanasian and Apostle's Creeds).

There were those who wanted to consider Jesus as many other things - some said He was God in the spirit but never here in the flesh (just appeared to be) - that does not explain how you can nail him to a cross, how he could eat bread and fish and do a lot of other very physical, human things.

There were those who want to say he was a man who "got it right" and so God honored him - "promoted him" to special status as a great man, prophet, etc. That does not fit with his statement that "Before Abraham was, I existed."

Finally, he said over and opver agin he came to brind freedom and truth to mankind - and only God can bring freedom and truth, particularly freedom from our own human concupiscience (tendency to fall away, rebel and sin against God).

The trinity is also a mystery, since God cannot be fully comprehended by man. So we will never figure out everything. But it is reassuring to me to know that God Himself will come in humble human form to reach me (and all of us) - what greater statement of love could he make?

May God bless your honest search for truth.

Answer 2

I am a christian and I do not reject the Trinity, or God Head as it is sometimes called. In the bible it says that there are 3 but that they are equal. The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. I cannot quote you exact scripture right now. Some people seem to think that Jesus was God or that they all the same. I however believe they are 3 different entities but are equal to one another. It is just how one interprets the bible.

Jesus states in Matthew that if you know the Him you know the Father. But if it says actually in the Bible that he was God I have not read it. I do not believe he was because it states that he would be at the right hand of the father.

Answer 3

Very true, true Christians do not believe in the trinity, it is a false teaching.

http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_03.htm
http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_01.htm
http://www.watchtower.org/library/ti/article_05.htm

And those who said John 1:1, he said he was with God, but he meant in their way if thinking. If you read ahead,in John 1:18, it meantions no one has ever seen God. Do you know how many people have seen Jesus when he was on earth?? He was clearly not God.
And besides, Jehovah God has said himself, said Jesus Christ was his son. If he is his son, he is clearly not God.
"16 After being baptized Jesus immediately came up from the water; and, look! the heavens were opened up, and he saw descending like a dove God’s spirit coming upon him. 17 Look! Also, there was a voice from the heavens that said: “This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved.”

Also, if Jesus was God then why did he pray to his father?

And if Jesus and God were the same person, wouldn't they both know the day. Well, Matthew 24:36 says:36 “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father."
So these are a few scriptures that prove Jesus and Jehovah God are not the same. Please email me if you have any quesions or want more proof. =] Hope this helps and have a great day! -Tereza

Answer 4

Trinity is not mentioned in the bible.
There are some quotes in the New Testament that indicate Jesus called himself god. Most of them come from John, the youngest of the gospels.
You can read more in wikipedia under "trinity".
If your christian friends include catholics, they are supposed to accept trinity and the divine nature of Jesus. If they don't accept, they are not catholics. With other christians, would depend on their denomination, whether they have a canon and whether their denomination allows them to have a deviating opinion.

Have a nice day.

Answer 5

Yes we are all sons of God but Christ is the unique Son of God. In John 3:16 he is called the "only begotten son". A better translation of the Greek would mean, "His unique son". Christ is a different kind of Son of God then we are sons of God. For him, the Son of God is more of a title, a rank.

Jesus also draws the distinction in John 10.

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, "I have said you are god's"? If he called them god's [children], to whom the word of God came - and the Scripture cannot be broken - what about the ONE WHOM THE FATHER SET APART AS HIS VERY OWN AND SENT INTO THE WORLD? John 10:34

Christ also said, "Before Abraham was, I am" and "I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end". No other human or prophet can claim to be eternal like that. Also Jesus claimed to have the authority to forgive people of their sins, which only God has.

Answer 6

Jesus, replaced into worshipped all in the process the Bible. he's God in the flesh. The Trinity might nicely be defined like this. One super sphere is God the father; a 2nd smaller sphere in the super one is Jesus; and the third smaller sphere interior the two between the others is the Holy Spirit. 3 persons yet in basic terms one God. the father is the top and is greater in some techniques, being the top, yet all are the two Divine in basic terms such as you're extra suitable than your spouse, yet the two one in each and every of you're the two human. :)

Answer 7

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." The Word is Jesus. Here is the perfect example of the Trinity - Jesus with God and Jesus=God.

If your friends reject the Trinity, they wouldn't be Christian... the whole point of Christianity is that a part of God came down to earth to sacrifice himself for us. If Jesus wasn't a part of God, the sacrifice would have no point. A normal Jewish animal sacrifice only was for one sin and for one person. Since Jesus was sinless and a part of God, his sacrifice was for everyone and for every sin.

Confusing, but that is what Christians believe.

Answer 8

John 10:30: "I and the Father are one."

What is important in this verse is how the religious authorities reacted. The discussion prior to this verse is an attempt to set Christ up as a blasphemer so they could stone and kill Him. Christ just comes right out and says it. The Jews had what they wanted and proceeded to stone Him. They knew exactly what He was saying!

Just two verses prior, Christ claims to give everybody eternal life. Who can do that but God?

As a true Christian who reads the Bible on a daily basis, I accept and embrace the Trinity and every word written both in the Old and New Testaments.

Answer 9

You make a statement that is refuted in the scripture. You say that all that fear God in the Old and New Testament are called "sons or children of God." A person afflicted with evil spirits well recognized Jesus as God. The demons recognize the truth of the Deity of Christ, and they tremble. I respect your seeking knowledge and consider that endeavor admirable. I do wonder why you would start with one of the mysteries of the Judeo-Christian God if you are content with your faith. Theologians with access to original translations have been warring over this doctrine for centuries. The Christian doctrine for salvation is that you repent of your sin, accept that Jesus Christ, who all God, died for you sin that you might live eternally. Faith in the Blood of Christ as atonement for you sin plus....nothing! [ Good works should follow a true conversion, but it is by faith alone, not works.] That is simple enough for even young children to grasp. The endless debating with people who do not recognize the Deity of Christ is of no avail. It does not advance the Kingdom of God, it does not fulfill the command of the Great Commission of going forth with the Gospel and making disciples in all nations.
Fearing God is the beginning of Wisdom, but it is not the end of the journey. Accepting the Deity of Christ and His sacrifice as atonement for your sin, and should be followed by a Baptism. The Baptism is an outward showing of our being buried to sin, and alive in Christ. Any one care to engage in "immersion versus sprinkling," that we may further try to convince someone against their will that Jesus Christ is Lord? The questioner is not persuaded, and again Christians are allowing themselves to be pitted one against another. It ought not to be this way. Seekers who have no hidden agenda will find the Truth, and the Truth shall set them free.

Answer 10

The Truth About the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit

PEOPLE who believe the Trinity teaching say that God consists of three persons—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each of these three persons is said to be equal to the others, almighty, and without beginning. According to the Trinity doctrine, therefore, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, yet there is only one God.

Many who believe the Trinity admit that they are not able to explain this teaching. Still, they may feel that it is taught in the Bible. It is worth noting that the word “Trinity” never occurs in the Bible. But is the idea of a Trinity found there? To answer this question, let us look at a scripture that supporters often cite to uphold the Trinity.

“THE WORD WAS GOD”

John 1:1 states: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” (King James Version) Later in the same chapter, the apostle John clearly shows that “the Word” is Jesus. (John 1:14) Since the Word is called God, however, some conclude that the Son and the Father must be part of the same God.

Bear in mind that this part of the Bible was originally written in Greek. Later, translators rendered the Greek text into other languages. A number of Bible translators, though, did not use the phrase “the Word was God.” Why not? Based on their knowledge of Biblical Greek, those translators concluded that the phrase “the Word was God” should be translated differently. How? Here are a few examples: “The Logos [Word] was divine.” (A New Translation of the Bible) “The Word was a god.” (The New Testament in an Improved Version) “The Word was with God and shared his nature.” (The Translator’s New Testament) According to these translations, the Word is not God himself. Instead, because of his high position among Jehovah’s creatures, the Word is referred to as “a god.” Here the term “god” means “mighty one.”

GET MORE FACTS

Most people do not know Biblical Greek. So how can you know what the apostle John really meant? Think of this example: A schoolteacher explains a subject to his students. Afterward, the students differ on how to understand the explanation. How can the students resolve the matter? They could ask the teacher for more information. No doubt, learning additional facts would help them to understand the subject better. Similarly, to grasp the meaning of John 1:1, you can look in the Gospel of John for more information on Jesus’ position. Learning additional facts on this subject will help you to draw the right conclusion.

For instance, consider what John further writes in chapter 1, verse 18: “No man has seen [Almighty] God at any time.” However, humans have seen Jesus, the Son, for John says: “The Word [Jesus] was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory.” (John 1:14, KJ) How, then, could the Son be part of Almighty God? John also states that the Word was “with God.” But how can an individual be with someone and at the same time be that person? Moreover, as recorded at John 17:3, Jesus makes a clear distinction between himself and his heavenly Father. He calls his Father “the only true God.” And toward the end of his Gospel, John sums up matters by saying: “These have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God.” (John 20:31) Notice that Jesus is called, not God, but the Son of God. This additional information provided in the Gospel of John shows how John 1:1 should be understood. Jesus, the Word, is “a god” in the sense that he has a high position but is not the same as Almighty God.

CONFIRM THE FACTS

Think again about the example of the schoolteacher and the students. Imagine that some still have doubts, even after listening to the teacher’s additional explanation. What could they do? They could turn to another teacher for further information on the same subject. If the second teacher confirms the explanation of the first one, the doubts of most students may be put to rest. Similarly, if you are not sure what the Bible writer John was really saying about the relationship between Jesus and Almighty God, you could turn to another Bible writer for further information. Consider what was written by Matthew, for example. Regarding the end of this system of things, he quotes Jesus as saying: “Concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the Son, but only the Father.” (Matthew 24:36) How do these words confirm that Jesus is not Almighty God?

Jesus says that the Father knows more than the Son does. If Jesus were part of Almighty God, however, he would know the same facts as his Father. So, then, the Son and the Father cannot be equal. Yet, some will say: ‘Jesus had two natures. Here he speaks as a man.’ But even if that were so, what about the holy spirit? If it is part of the same God as the Father, why does Jesus not say that it knows what the Father knows?

As you continue your Bible studies, you will become familiar with many more Bible passages that have a bearing on this subject. They confirm the truth about the Father, the Son, and the holy spirit.—Psalm 90:2; Acts 7:55; Colossians 1:15.

[Footnote]

For a consideration of the rules of Greek grammar that apply to John 1:1, see pages 26-9 of the brochure Should You Believe in the Trinity? published by Jehovah’s Witnesses.