so can one of you please cut and past in the answer section from the US Constitution only or the Bill of Rights, the paragraph that contains the words, "Separation of Church and State" Now it needs to say those words, no what you might think it means, or what some lawyer says it means, I can read for myself, I may not be able to spell, but I can read quite well. So please cut and paste where in the Constitution it says that line. I've heard it a thousands times, but I cant find it. I had people tell me that the 1st part "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right" But only the most imaginative could find that meaning there, so can you help me, where is it at.
2007-08-14 08:16:40 · 9 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
The idea that Congress shall pass no law, is exactly why the left wing extreemists are using the courts to redefine our present laws.
They use terms like hate speach and civil rights, and have no clue what they mean. To many of our lower court judges are looking at european constitutions and court decisions to make us more like them.
So in a nut shell the "man of Lawlessness" is paving the way for his arrival.
Thank God we wont be here for that AMEN!
2007-08-14 08:27:08 · answer #1 · answered by ImJstBob 4 · 1⤊ 3⤋
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
This has always been meant in this way. The first person to claim it meant the separation of church and state were the diametrically opposed Jefferson and Adams. Jefferson wanted to prevent religion from messing up government and Adams wanted government kept from messing around with religion. It was until most recently that people forgot the sense of this, and it has culminated in the election of the worst president ever--George W. Bush.
2007-08-14 08:20:56 · answer #2 · answered by corvuequis 4 · 1⤊ 1⤋
You know damn well those exact words do not appear in any of the official documents of the United States. I'm betting you do know, however, that they stem from the pen of the author of the Declaration of Independence. Here is the letter in which President Thomas Jefferson interpreted the actions and intentions of the Founding Fathers, himself included:
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To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.
Gentlemen
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building
a wall of separation between Church & State.
Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.
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Get over it. Separation of church and state is what was indented from the start, specifically to protect the general population from would-be despots.
2007-08-14 08:46:34 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 1⤊ 0⤋
That's similar to the muslim claim that the quran does not contain the two words "holy war" together.
Can you cut and paste the law that says "murdering is bad"? The exact phrase.
2007-08-14 08:22:19 · answer #4 · answered by Dreamstuff Entity 6 · 2⤊ 0⤋
You obviously know that the words "Separation of Church and State" are not written in the Constitution. But perhaps I could add to the thoughts being presented.
First, a couple of issues: To what degree should church and state be separated? Should there be an official state church?
Do those issues sound familiar? They should. The Founding Fathers of the United States wrestled with them more than two hundred years ago, and they continue to be serious topics of discussion and debate to this very day.
The principles and philosophies upon which the U.S. constitutional law is based are not simply the result of the best efforts of a remarkable group of brilliant men. They were inspired by God, and the rights and privileges guaranteed in the Constitution are God-given, not man-derived. The freedom and independence afforded by the Constitution and Bill of Rights are divine rights—sacred, essential, and inalienable. The Lord has indicated that the “law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind, and is justifiable before me.”
Regarding those sixteen significant words found in the First Amendment to the Constitution: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" to which you referred:
These words are simple and direct. Their message and meaning appear to be clear. But through the years presidents, Congress, and the courts have interpreted them in so many different ways that many people today have no sense of the perspective upon which they were based.
Believe it or not, at one time the very notion of government had less to do with politics than with virtue. According to James Madison, often referred to as the father of the Constitution: “We have staked the whole future of American civilization not upon the power of the government—far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of God.”
George Washington agreed - he said, “Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.”
Nearly one hundred years later, Abraham Lincoln responded to a question about which side God was on during the Civil War with this profound insight: “I am not at all concerned about that, for I know that the Lord is always on the side of the right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I and this nation should be on the Lord’s side.”
Madison, Washington, and Lincoln all understood that democracy cannot possibly flourish in a moral vacuum and that organized religion plays an important role in preserving and maintaining public morality. Indeed, John Adams, another of America’s Founding Fathers, insisted: “We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion.”
Yet that is precisely the position we find ourselves in today. Our government is succumbing to pressure to distance itself from God and religion. Consequently, the government is discovering that it is incapable of contending with people who are increasingly “unbridled by morality and religion.”
A simple constitutional prohibition of state-sponsored church has evolved into court-ordered bans against representations of the Ten Commandments on government buildings, Christmas manger scenes on public property, and prayer at public meetings. Instead of seeking the “national morality” based on “religious principle” that Washington spoke of, many are actively seeking a blind standard of legislative amorality, with a total exclusion of the mention of God in the public square.
Such a standard of religious exclusion is absolutely and unequivocally counter to the intention of those who designed our government.
2007-08-14 08:30:40 · answer #5 · answered by The Corinthian 7 · 2⤊ 0⤋
The exact words aren't there, but that is the meaning of what you quoted. It says the government is supposed to keep its nose out of religion.
2007-08-14 08:20:54 · answer #6 · answered by Anonymous · 4⤊ 0⤋
Here is the whole bill of rights....
Bill of Rights
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Amendment II
A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.
Amendment III
No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.
Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a grand jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
Amendment VII
In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
2007-08-14 08:26:00 · answer #7 · answered by Kathy H 3 · 0⤊ 2⤋
Sure! And can you paste the bits of the bible that use the word: trinity and original sin? Thanks!
See, if those words, those EXACT WORDS, aren't in the bible, there is no trinity and original sin. Kewl how your "logic" works, innit?
2007-08-14 08:20:55 · answer #8 · answered by Laptop Jesus 3.9 7 · 7⤊ 2⤋
Well, it might not come out and say it, but you know good well that's what it means.
2007-08-14 08:22:23 · answer #9 · answered by Prof Fruitcake 6 · 2⤊ 1⤋