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If a person is "always saved", then logically, there is no need for judgement for that person.

But in Hebrews 9:27, Paul stated, "Just as it is appointed that human beings die once, and after this the judgment...."

This clearly states that after a person dies, there will be a judgment and after this judgment, the person will go to either Heaven or Hell.

A person cannot be assured of his or her salvation in this life if there is to be a judgement at the end of his or her life.

2007-08-14 06:01:29 · 9 answers · asked by Sldgman 7 in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

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Hebrews as a whole and the NT as a whole are not compatible with OSAS.

"Once saved Always Saved" is just "One Point Calvinism","the Perseverance of the Saints"',which really makes no sense outside of Calvinist Predeterminism and lack of free will.

Free will and being "damned to Heaven no matter what you do" and "irresistible grace' (which is not a gift then but a sentencing) are not compatible for one must be free to reject grace as well as accept it if one has free will.

OSAS has no real biblical or rational or moral support.

Jesus in Matt judges by how one treats others and not by 'answering an altar call' or by some invisible faith that produces no fruit of good works of love. The verses that OSAS bring up all seem to be pulled out of context.
Judas seems to be an argument against OSAS.
OSAS seems to be a wayof turning Tetzel,the simoniac Dominican who prostituted indulgences like a Prosperity Gospel Evangelist does his after-life "fire insurance", into a Protestant,IMHO.

A Holiness friend of mine said that most" OSAS people may speak like Calvinists but all the good ones live like Arminians",that is, they do not play with fire by living in what they realize is mortal sin and by speeding down the road to Hell,but rather live as if sin really does make a difference.

OSAS may try to abolish personal responsibility and divine Justice but it never can succed even in the minds of many of its supporters.

If OSAS were true,they there is no need of continuing in accepting grace

2007-08-14 07:24:29 · answer #1 · answered by James O 7 · 4 0

I think this is a very tough issue. I wrestled with the nature of salvation for years and still do to a certain extent. However, I do humbly disagree with you, but I do understand why a person would feel the way you do. However, I ask that you just check out a few other pieces of scripture with me. (Someone already mentioned this, but the bible states that there is more than one set of judgments on the last day, one is for the heaven bound and one is for the unsaved, so I don't know that the scripture you have presented could be conclusively linked to losing salvation) Here are a few pieces of scripture:
Romans 4:5-6 To the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is CREDITED as righteousness.

Romans 8:29-30 For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his son...and those he predestined, he also called, those he called, he also justified, those he justified, he also glorified.

Romans 11:29 "God's gifts and his call are irrevocable." Salvation involves both the gift (Rom 6:23) and the call (Rom 8:30)
2 Corinthians 5:5-6,8 Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, GUARANTEEING what is to come. Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord.

Ephesians 1:4-5 He chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will.

Ephesians 1:13-14 Having believed you were marked in him with a SEAL, the promised holy spirit, who is a deposit, guaranteeing our inheritance until th e redemption of those who are God's possession-to the praise of his glory.

Ephesians 2:5-6 God has made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions-it is by grace you have been saved. And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus.

Philippians 1;6 I am confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

Hebrews 10:14 By one sacrifice he has made perfect forever thos who are being made holy.

Hebrews 12;2 Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfector of our faith.

1John 5:13 I write these things to you so that you may know that you have eternal life.

In conclusion I do not think the nature of salvation should be hastily made. Salvation is of the Lord. It does not derive from our strength, but from the Lord's will. We must keep in mind that when we are faithless he remains faithful (2 Timothy 2:13) and that election according to the Bible was from eternity. (God chose us in him before the creation of the world/Lamb that was slain from the creation of the world/this grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time 2 timothy 1:9
We also must keep in mind that while we live in the temporary it is God who saves, and he saves from eternities stand point. It seems a little fickle for God to regenerate someone for eternity that will not persevere, and God not finishing what he begins is contrary to the Biblical character of God.
Also we must ask the question, what does the phrase "I am saved" mean? What are we saved from? I think most would say things like from the punishment of our sinful nature and our sins and saved from Hell. When we say we are saved, we are talking about an eternal implication, not a temporary relative statement, it is meant to be an absolute. To say I am saved from Hell (an eternal place) but to at the same time believe that I could still go there is like saying I like squared circles. The statement would be utterly irrational and pointless. The only way the statement is valid is if what is said is what is meant. When we make salvation relative it just isn't a logically sound position.

2007-08-14 07:03:42 · answer #2 · answered by travis w 2 · 0 0

Not to mention Hebrews 6:4-6, which goes over the specific sin of Apostacy.

2007-08-14 06:06:51 · answer #3 · answered by Anonymous · 0 0

When a person truly belongs to Jesus they are saved. They will go before God and be declared NOT GUILTY. When a person has denied Jesus, is not capable of learning, or has never had the opportunity to hear the word, then that person is judge by God according to each individual and God's grace. Jesus paid for the sins of all who are saved.

2007-08-14 06:18:52 · answer #4 · answered by 4HIM- Christians love 7 · 1 1

You are only saved if you live by what God said and do his will, you are judged in the end on if you served God you will go to Heaven and if you served Satan you will be sent to hell.

2007-08-14 06:09:30 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 4 0

You are taking the verse out of context. The doctine of once saved always saved stands true. Every person will be judged. There will be two different types of Judgement. The judgement here is not one that will determine weither or not you go to heaven or hell. That decision is made when you decided to accept Christ as your Saviour or if you don't. The judgement refered to here is one of being accountable for your actions. Nothing to do with going to Heaven or Hell. The only way to heaven is by faith that Christ died for our sins.
It is a gift, nothing that we can earn.

2007-08-14 06:17:03 · answer #6 · answered by em.t.space 2 · 1 5

Sure you can. You can know the outcome of the judgment before it happens (if you believe that God is all-knowing and all-powerful).

2007-08-14 06:07:35 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1 4

because "once saved, always saved" is a false doctrine.

2007-08-14 06:07:52 · answer #8 · answered by Perceptive 5 · 9 1

Haven't you also read John 10:27-30?

We are absolutely assured of heaven when we trust in Christ.
Salvation cannot be lost or undone....it's impossible. Because then the gift would be imperfect.......and no gift from God is imperfect.

I don't know about you but.....I have the absolute assurance of heaven because of Christ....not because of me or my actions.

2007-08-14 06:08:20 · answer #9 · answered by primoa1970 7 · 0 9

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