Hey Atheists.. Gimme a frickin' Break!?

Question

Why are there doubts that this massive universe was created by a highly intelligent and a extremely powerful force?Can you imagine the sun coming from nothing by some random chaotic chance? Come on.. Gimme a break!

The sun was placed at a "Just right" distance from the earth. Just perfect for humans, animals and plant life to survive. If the sun was any closer, we would burn up like french fries in an oven. If it was further away, we would freeze to death.

How in the world can people say that is not intelligence?

As long as God has me on his planet.... The atheists will always have me wondering if they were born with any common sense.

AN ATHEIST RESPONSE: "The Sun was not placed anywhere, our planet coalesced in its orbit after the Sun had already formed. Our orbit places us at a distance supportive of our form of life, yes. Guess what, genius: if the sun were a little hotter, life could have appeared on Mars (if it didn't anyway), and if it were cooler, we could be having this ridiculous argument on Venus. The Sun and Earth don't dance according the needs of our biology; we appeared here because this was the most generally favorable place, and we evolved to thrive in the conditions we have. Just because your programmed little robot brain can't conceive of cosmic happenstance doesn't mean there's a magical puppeteer with his holy spirit up our collective rear ends."


A CHRISTIAN RESPONSE: "And what exactly are the odds of this happening without something guiding it?"

The odds of life and universe happening by sheer chance are astronomical.

Answer 1

I agree with you 100% but do you think it is wise to belittle the atheists most of them are very intelligent .

Answer 2

Why are you acting as if atheists are religious zealots that got a manual on how the universe was created by some supreme being that was all knowing and all powerful? Attacking atheists with the "plea from ignorance" argument does not prove that your god exists, nor will it convert any atheists to sharing in your fantasy. Atheists don't have manuals that speculate on things that are imaginary and use them to explain the universe, we take the scientific findings that are best supported from by concrete evidence as manifested in reality and allow those that actually know how to perform such studies to find truth. Truth is supported by evidence, such as the universe expanding measurably, historical records that detail how crucifixions were carried out and for what reasons, religious documents predating christianity with identical themes (virgin births, sons of god, sacrificial saviors, walking on water, turning water into wine, negative confessions, etc.), fossil and DNA records, architecture, archeological finds, the Dead Sea Scrolls, among others.

Let me break it down to you this way, if you lived in France and you had always heard that Copernicus discovered and conquered the Americas all by himself, lived to be 911 years old and singlehandedly built ever great city in America and gave them all of the laws and knowledge that made the United States great, and the people who told you this proved it by giving you a book that said it was the truth and that's the way it happened, does that make it true? Is that REALLY how America was discovered, settled, and made into the great country that it is? Would you be surprised if someone thought that was a bunch of crap and decided to do some research and discovered that the Americans told a completely different story? Would you say that the person that did the research was wrong for believing what he found to be true, instead of sticking with the story that the French book had put out there, even though the French book went against everything ever written by anyone else on the subject and there's proof that Copernicus did no such thing, and in reality died for not recanting on his "theory" that the world was round and revolved around the sun? Who's wrong in this case, the person that did the research, or the person that believed the book and never questioned it?

Answer 3

Hey Believer.. Gimme a frickin' Break!?

You wanna explain why of thousands upon thounds of planets we only know of ONE where the sun was placed at a "Just right" distance from the earth? Just ONE that's perfect for humans, animals and plant life to survive? If the sun was any closer - like it is on many other planets - we would burn up like french fries in an oven. If it was further away - like it is on the rest of the other planets - we would freeze to death.

How in the world can people say that is intelligence?

If it was intelligence, wouldn't this creator have done it again? The believers... well, not all of them. Just you, really.... will always have me wondering if they... meaning YOU... were born with any common sense.

Answer 4

Well, for one, earth wasn't placed 'just right' for us. I mean, there is a possibility that it was, but you're thinking about this in a skewed way. Remember that if you're not religious (a creationist), you believe life evolved on earth... thus, we are 'just right' for the planet (and not the other way around).

A non-religious person generally believes in the possibility that life could evolve on other planets, and that the life would be adapted to conditions on those planets.

As to the whole creation thing, the universe itself does sort of defy the whole 'we just randomly appeared out of chaos' theory. In my mind, whatever is responsible for the creation of the universe is what I'd call a god. However, the skepticism lies in whether that creator notices or cares about us.

With all the evils and trials in the world, many people just have trouble believing in (or are afraid to believe) a creator who allows such horrible things to happen to its creations. It's easier to think the creator is unaware or nonexistent than to think some all-powerful being is knowingly subjecting us to suffering.

Anything outside of that takes religious faith and indoctrination.

Answer 5

The Sun was not placed anywhere, our planet coalesced in its orbit after the Sun had already formed. Our orbit places us at a distance supportive of our form of life, yes. Guess what, genius: if the sun were a little hotter, life could have appeared on Mars (if it didn't anyway), and if it were cooler, we could be having this ridiculous argument on Venus. The Sun and Earth don't dance according the needs of our biology; we appeared here because this was the most generally favorable place, and we evolved to thrive in the conditions we have. Just because your programmed little robot brain can't conceive of cosmic happenstance doesn't mean there's a magical puppeteer with his holy spirit up our collective rear ends.

Answer 6

Although I totally agree with your point of view, your attitude reminds me more of the way some Atheists talk down to Christians ("...wondering if they were born with any common sense.") I've come across many very intelligent Atheists, some probably smarter than me. Just because we all don't have the same beliefs, doesn't mean we have to sink down to Neanderthal level either. Show some respect.

Answer 7

In a universe this size, you want to tell me that god chose this specific little ball of rock to lavish his omnipotence on? C'mon, enough of the narcissism. With literally billions of stars , the odds are good that some of them will have planets at the right distance to support life. The reason that we think we're special is because we're here to think we're special. If there was life on Mars, they'd be awestruck at the fact that whatever deities they worshipped placed their planet at just the right distance etc etc.

Try a little thought experiment with me; Imagine the universe. Now imagine it exactly the same way, but without god. See any difference? Neither did I.

Answer 8

Not an atheist, but I wonder, if you believe that an intelligence created all of this, then which one?
Do you honestly believe that the middle-eastern god indigenous only to that area until pagan rome took him under their wing to conquer other nations is the one that created the universe? Can you say without a shadow of a doubt that this particular (relatively new in comparison to the old gods) god is THE creator?
Or could it be that you've placed "God" in a box that neatly fits into your conceptions?
How can you believe that something with the intelligence capable of creation of the universe would be as petty as the god represented in the bible?
Perhaps those who don't believe in a created universe aren't the only ones lacking in common sense.

Answer 9

Ok.... so perhaps you should be asking yourself... if this Universe is so damned perfect...... how there are billions and trillions of stars.... and probably countless more planets.... and yet ours is the only one apparently supporting life we have yet found (not to mention that over 99% of the known Universe is just empty space).

Afterall.... if our planet was put here deliberately to be perfect for us..... then what is the deal with all the other planets out there, both around our own star and around others?
I mean... if that many planets are being thrown around the Universe, the odds of one arriving at about the right space to support life isn't all that odd..... and if it hadn't happened then you wouldn't be able to account for that anyway as you wouldn't exist.

Answer 10

There are billions of stars in the galaxy, a fraction of them have planets. We just happened to be in the right position to form life. "God" has nothing to do with it. Atheists are the only people on this planet who use common sense. It's common sense that we didn't come from a magical man in the clouds. It's common sense that we're a species of ape, just look at yourself. It's common sense that we aren't the only intelligent life form in the universe.

Answer 11

“Why are there doubts that this massive universe was created by a highly intelligent and a extremely powerful force?”

- Because there is no proof that such a being exists. Cave men used to believe that when thunder came a god was in the heavens beating a drum. They believed this because they did not understand. Just because we do not yet know every secret of the universe does not mean that the only credible explanation is that magic created it.

I don’t know exactly how my cell phone works, but that doesn’t mean there is a magic pixie in it placing my calls for me. Using a lack of knowledge as proof of magic is about the most facile arguments one could make.

“Can you imagine the sun coming from nothing by some random chaotic chance? Come on.. Gimme a break!”

- So again, because we don’t know how the sun came to be, the ONLY possible answer is that it was placed there by magic?

You know there are many Biblical scholars out there that claim that the Earth and the Universe is less than 10,000 years old. Given that the speed of light is a known value, how do you explain the fact that we can see stars that are more than 10,000 light years away.

”The sun was placed at a "Just right" distance from the earth. Just perfect for humans, animals and plant life to survive. If the sun was any closer, we would burn up like french fries in an oven. If it was further away, we would freeze to death.”

- There are trillions of stars out there. The odds are that several of them are just the right distance from a planet to sustain life.

”How in the world can people say that is not intelligence?”

- Because simply because we are fortunate enough to be the right distance from the sun, hardly means it was placed there magically.

”As long as God has me on his planet.... The atheists will always have me wondering if they were born with any common sense.”

- The fact is you are a product of an education system that has not taught you science properly. You have no doubt been to church countless times and been told what to think on this subject. But the bottom line is this. Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean that the answer must lie in the supernatural. You are of course free to believe what you want, but you are going to have to educate yourself far more before you can hold a credible discussion on this subject.