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This is mainly to "Johnny Appleseed" who keeps giving me this scripture to try to prove the Trinity.

John 5: 7-8 ~ "For threre are three that bare record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Spirit"

This is known as the Johannine comma and is spurious to many Scholars because it was not found in Hundreds of Early Greek Manuscripts but was found in 8 manuscripts later written. This was not an original scripture written by the Apostles. This scripture was written in as a note in brackets and later the brackets were removed making it into a scripture supposedly written by John the Apostle. I could have written more but i will leave you with some links to check out.

http://www.bible-researcher.com/comma.html
http://www.bible.org/page.php?page_id=1186

2007-08-13 19:49:41 · 7 answers · asked by Anonymous in Society & Culture Religion & Spirituality

Oops, Sorry i forgot to put the 1 in front of John

2007-08-13 20:16:55 · update #1

7 answers

I was just reading that information a few minutes ago! I did know that those were not the original words of the apostle John because my translation (the New World Translation as well as many others including the Revised Standard Version, the New English Bible, Today's English Version, the Jerusalem Bible, and the New American Bible) do not include those words. One source from F.H.A. Scrivener brought out that, "They were originally rought into Latin copies in Africa from the margin, where they had been placed as a pious and orthodox gloss on verse 8: that from the Latin the crept in two or three late Greek codices, and thence into the printed Greek text, a place to which they had no rightful claim."

2007-08-13 20:02:04 · answer #1 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Not only that but it's not in the gospel of John. I believe it's in 1 John, which is a letter composed by the apostle John.

And you're right that it's authenticity is dubious. Good thing we don't rely on that passage or any of the other ones you've supposedly refuted, for our belief in the trinity.

2007-08-14 02:53:52 · answer #2 · answered by Craig R 6 · 1 1

Those who accept it are being blinded by Satan.

2 Cor 4:4 tells us that the glory of Christ is that of an image,

If we believe Jesus is more than an image or less than an image we are being blinded.

2 Corinthians 4:4 (New King James Version)

4 whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.

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2007-08-14 08:58:24 · answer #3 · answered by TeeM 7 · 0 0

Very well spoken my brother. I almost posted a comment on this same verse to Johnny Appleseed, but for fear of the KJV only advocates trying to crucify me for it, I chose not to do so.
I applaud you. In Jesus Name.

2007-08-14 17:07:11 · answer #4 · answered by ? 5 · 0 0

I think that most Christians do not know this. But it is in the foot notes of even the NIV. Something like "this verse does not appear in the oldest and most reliable sources".

2007-08-14 02:56:17 · answer #5 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

Whether it is or isn't I do not need that in order to show Biblically that Jesus, The Father, and the Holy Spirit are One God.

So it really doesn't matter to me.

2007-08-14 03:08:42 · answer #6 · answered by Christian Sinner 7 · 1 0

It was completely unknown before the 14th century...

But it is FIRST JOHN, not the gospel according to John.

2007-08-14 02:57:11 · answer #7 · answered by Anonymous · 1 0

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