If someone know any passage or whatever where abortion is mentions please reference me.
the only argument i heard from Christians on abortion is "Though shall not commit murder"
But all countries in the world have laws against murder and none of them (as far as i know) threat abortion as murder with the same laws.
So why do Christians somehow believe murder and abortion is the same?
in fact in the The Judaic Old Testament:
(Genesis 2:7) states that life begins at first breath, but babies are not valued until they are a month old (Numbers 3:40; Leviticus 27:6).
2007-08-13
12:47:15
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Neither of you answered my question properly.
Still almost all of you simply states that abortion is murder with your own personal opinions.
i got a couple passages, but the fact of the matter is that the bible never anywhere said that abortion and murder is anywhere near the same thing,
2007-08-13
13:28:38 ·
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arrgh.. you Christians are making me go insane..
Matthew 18:14 is about sheep! not fetuses!
btw, how do you know "tough shall not kill" is not meant for THE BRUTAL MURDER OF ANIMALS!
slaughterhouses kill a hundred times more live, breathing and intelligent animals every year than abortion clinics remove insensitive human tissues by the will of their host body.
2007-08-13
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how can taking a babys life in the womb not be breaking the commandment to not kill ...
2007-08-13 12:54:58
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answered by Anonymous
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So why do Christians somehow believe murder and abortion is the same?
Because murder is the premeditated taking of an innocent life, that's why. Just because the term has been redefined in the context of abortion where an unborn baby doesn't have any legal status if the mother doesn't impart it to the baby doesn't change the facts of what the act of abortion entails.
If a pregnant woman wants to have the baby and some thug mugs her and the baby is killed then guess what? He gets charged with murder. But if a woman decides that it wouldn't be convenient for her to have a baby right now and goes and pays a doctor to kill the innocent unborn child then she is just exercising her right of choice and no crime has been committed.
It's all a travesty of justice where the rights of one human being have been elevated above the rights of another helpless and innocent human being.
I heard the description of a late term abortion and it was horrifying. The doctor reached into the mothers womb and turned the baby around so that it came out feet first. Then the doctor got it all of the way out except for the head. The babies little hand reached around and was holding on to the doctor's forceps while he stuck a suction needle into it's skull and the baby jerked like it was startled and then it's brains were sucked out and it went limp.
If you say that late term abortion is wrong then realize that just because a baby is some number of months less developed doesn't mean that it isn't a human life that deserves to have to right to grow up and start a family and enjoy all of the things that other people get to have a chance at. Just because it can't present such a tragic picture in it's death doesn't mean that a tragedy doesn't take place every time an innocent life is snuffed out by an uncaring physician and a mother who will likely be haunted by the experience if she ever allows herself to fully think through what she allowed the doctor to do to her unborn baby.
2007-08-13 13:01:35
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answered by Martin S 7
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Bible doesn't say anything about abortion directly. So the question would be why the silence of the Bible on abortion? The answer is simple. Abortion was so unthinkable to an Israelite woman that there was no need to even mention it in the criminal code. Children were viewed as a gift or heritage from the Lord. Also the Scriptures state--and the Jews concurred--that God opens and closes the womb and is sovereign over conception.
Human beings are created in the image and likeness of God (Gen. 1:26-27; 5:1; 9:6). Bearing the image of God is the essence of humanness. And though God's image in man was marred at the Fall, it was not erased (cf. 1 Cor. 11:7; James 3:9). Thus, the unborn baby is made in the image of God and therefore fully human in God's sight.
2007-08-13 13:02:29
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answered by thundercatt9 7
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Here all most of the verses in The Old & New Testament of The Holy bible regarding abortion.
Exodus 21:22-23
Hosea 9:14
Job 10:8-12
Isaiah 49:1
Jeremiah 1:5
Galatians 1:15
1 Sam 2:6-7
Exodus 20:1 &13
Amos 1:13
Matthew 18:14
Matthew 18:10
Psalms 127:3
Isaiah 49:15
2007-08-13 13:24:00
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answered by faith 5
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Across the country, men who allegedly have killed their pregnant wives (or girlfriends), are charged with with two counts of murder.
Thanks be to God, that our judicial system has seen fit to prosecute those who murder unborn babies, and make the guilty pay the highest penalties allowed. In situations such as this, our judicial system has treated the unborn baby as he/she really is—a human being (cf. Jeremiah 1:4-5; Luke 1:39-44). “
A person guilty of murdering an unborn child is guilty of murdering a person.” That is why a person who take the lives of a woman and her unborn baby are charged with double counts of murder.
But how can an unborn child be considered a human being in one situation (when a man takes the life of a woman and her baby), but then, when the pregnant woman wants to take the life of her unborn child, the baby becomes an “appendage” of the mother’s body. “The baby is not a human being, just an extra lump of tissue that the mother can discard at will.” If the father intentionally kicks a baby while in the mother’s womb, killing the child, he likely will be sentenced to prison, or possibly to death (and rightly so—Genesis 9:6). On the other hand, if a mother goes to an abortion clinic and pays a doctor to insert a pliers-like instrument into her uterus literally to pull and shred the baby into pieces, snapping the spinal cord, and crushing the skull, she has done nothing illegal?
Such reasoning makes no sense. As Heather Boonstra, senior public policy associate at the Alan Guttmacher Institute, stated: “The law cannot hold both that a pregnant woman is two persons and at the same time allow her to have an abortion” (2001).
2007-08-13 13:15:30
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answered by Anonymous
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Genesis 2:7 was not all life begins at the first breath. It was when He created Adam, and Adam was alive at the first breath. He was never a fetus, so we can discredit this from your argument.
Numbers 3:40 refers to a census. The Lord told Moses to could all the firstborn sons who were 1 month old and older and register each name. This does not state that babies are not valued until they are a month old, so we can dsicredit this from your argument.
Leviticus 27:6 refers to the practice Isrealites were required to give or dedicate certain things to the Lord. In the verse you quote, it refers to the value of children to dedicate someone to the Lord. It does not imply that babies are not valued.
When you want to use the bible against Christians, you need to make sure you understand what you saying. You did mention the "only" arguement the Christians believe "Thou shall not murder." This IS a valid argument.
God gave us 10 Commandments to live by. Only 10 rules. They are simple, clear cut, ways to live in a way that is pleasing to God. "Thou shall not commit murder" is one of those Commandments I live by.
Of course, I can not judge those that do murder. As a true Christian, I can not make a judgment against a person who has an abortion, just like I can not judge the person who administers a lethal injection to a convicted murderer. That is for God to sort out. All of us have committed sin. Anyone who has had to make the difficult choice of having an abortion does not need me judging them. I would rather pray for them.
2007-08-13 13:10:07
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answered by justanotherone 5
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Some countries, like Poland and El Salvador, have laws forbidding abortion. The case against abortion is based on scientific data that shows the fetus brain and heart functioning in the first trimester.
Genesis 2:7 "God formed man from the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being."
That does not say life begins after the first breath.
Numbers 3:40 commands Moses to count all infants that are one month old, but does NOT say infants less than a month old don't count (as in don't matter). This was probably due to the fact that infants who survived their first month of life would likely survive into childhood.
Leviticus 27:6 speaks of fees paid to the priests for dedicating someone to the Lord. I don't no what this means, but it doesn't mean what you claim. You take it out of context.
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2007-08-13 13:12:23
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answered by Anonymous
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What is murder to you? Is it taking a fully formed life - or is it deciding who is worthy to live and who can die?
When a baby is formed, is it the property of the mother's? Or even both parents? Is it something that they can just end without second thoughts?
Abortion means deciding who can be alive and who can't be. Who is not a burden to be born and who is. Abortion is not about saving a mother's life - which is often cited. Instead it is about an act of convience.
Do you need something written down in black and white to be considered right or wrong? Or can you just step back and look and realize what G-d would want because he speaks through your heart.
Abortion may not have been something that was as commonly practiced back in ancient times. Or it may have been something foriegn to the Jews - since life is considered precious.
Go out and ask any Jew if life is a gift from G-d. If it is considered precious and we are to live it to it's fullest - as long as we don't over indulge and seperate ourselves from G-d. Look at the scripture of Jer that says that G-d knew him in the womb and formed him.
Then come back to me and say that G-d is okay with abortion.
By the way - if this is a topic which really bothers you find a concordance and start looking the topic up. We aren't bibical reference books for you.
2007-08-13 13:06:34
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answered by noncrazed 4
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But when Jesus was here he told a man that he knew him when he was in the womb. How did your life start. How did you get here. was your life worthless til you were born and could breath? God made us and knows each and everyone that is born. The bible says that he knows the number of the hairs on your head. God knows the very moment when you as an egg was fertilized and were concieved. The only way man could know that is put a safistocated camera inside and watch. man thinks he has found away to get away with killing babies but I dont think God is pleased at all. No there is not a scripture saying abortion is wrong but use common sense here God knows when a child is conceived that is where a life begins and God knows exactly when someone kills that baby. And I beleive these babies are in heaven and will come face to face with their mommies on judgement day
2007-08-13 13:06:22
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answered by Tommiecat 7
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murder- means that someone plans to take the life of an innocent victim- isn't an unborn baby the most innocent of all?
Also in Deut- it says to choose life, so that your children might live.
Also the passages that you quoted-
1- in gen. God breathed life into the first man without being in the mothers womb= so that is entirely different
2- the other passages talk about after birth, however it does not invalidate the unborn child. SORRY- abortion is murder.
2007-08-13 13:09:02
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answered by AdoreHim 7
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Caution; God's laws are written in a general not a specific context presently. I hope that is one aspect that fouled up the thinking of the people I grew up under in 'church'. The emphasis in abortion is on the innocent; I was reading the scripture within the last few hours here; location Jeremiah? maybe.
P.S. One of the things dividing Christianity worldwide presently is defining 'old testament' as Genesis-Malachi. The scriptural old testament was the law of Moses (synonym 2 Cor. 3:13-14).
Could one have the law of Moses before Moses was born(Exodus 2)?
2007-08-13 13:00:39
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answered by jefferyspringer57@sbcglobal.net 7
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