"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire" (2 Pet 2:20-22 KJV)
Peace
2007-08-13 10:47:30 · 14 answers · asked by Automaton 5 in Society & Culture ➔ Religion & Spirituality
Frenzy, what it shows is that the insurance deal doctrine is not genuine. It would be better for them to know know of the theway if they return to former ignorances, it says their first state would be greater then their last. This fits completely into what Yeshua said in regards to those with knowledge taking more stripes then those who don't have knowledge . For such he said they would be cast into outer darkness.
If they can't be faithful in what is little, how will they be entrusted with the greater? Peter clearly says it would be better for them to not have known about it at all. Surely you see what he is attempting to convey to you? Not sure where this makes continual repentance acceptable. Repentance is to make a turn, to unloose your mind. Don't you see what they have turned Yeshua into? They made him into a get out of jail free card. It is satanic and evil. He is their scapegoat to do whatever they want, and live imbued with cultural ignorances and corruptions.
2007-08-14 19:08:12 · update #1
Where has Yeshua, himself, ever say such things? I am sorry, I am Ebionite before anything, they were the first followers of Yeshua in Jerusalem. The Doctrine that was created is Satanic, because it allows them to be of the world and act in accord of the world, when Yeshua said not to, and if you are his disciple you will do as he has done. Don't you see how bad this is? It is in reversal to Yeshua's message. Those who know and do contrary, have committed the greatest sin of all. For them it would be better for them not to have known at all.
2007-08-14 19:12:21 · update #2
This is what Yeshua is recorded saying,
"Though you be gathered together in my bosom, if you keep not my commandments I will cast you forth."
I am not suggesting that man can't work out of their quagmire, but to think that they have a get out of jail free card continuously is just completely backwards. It gives them a license to sin, which means to not live what they know. It invoked complacency. But it wouldn't matter what I said, at all. None of it really matters. Peter is saying that it would be better for them to not have even known from the beginning, for the same reason that is referred in Hebrews. Hebrews just says it more explicitly. But it wouldn't matter what I said at all, part of the duty as a Modern Christian is to fail to suspect. The church has been taken over a long time ago. With "Jesus" as their perpetual sacrifice, to live in any manner they want to, without judgment. nice. The way of holiness reduced to the way of unholiness.
2007-08-14 19:24:26 · update #3
What is it you are questioning here, Passerby? That these verses demonstrate that a person can lose their salvation? Sorry, but I don't see that in there, only that their end would be worse than their beginning. Does that necessarily mean they have been totally cast aside?
What is it about that scripture that you believe Christians should find a contradiction with their beliefs?
2007-08-13 20:26:55 · answer #1 · answered by frenzy-CIB- Jim's with Jesus 4 · 0⤊ 0⤋
The bible teaches eternal security, the preservation of the saints. Tim H says the doctrine of "once saved, always saved" is blown out of the water by the verses in 2 Peter 2, but these verses are talking about people who have been exposed to the gospel and then reject it once and for all.
1 John 2:18-21 "They went out from us but they were not really from our number. If they had been, they would have remained with us."
2007-08-13 11:31:51 · answer #2 · answered by Renata 6 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Oh I did, Laptop Jesus And a few other select verses.
"Vessels made for destruction" in Romans, etc.
But then I'd been weighing the whole bible for several years!
It's a good example of a defensive meme.
For Misty M: "If you COMPLETELY turn your back on God, were you ever really saved in the first place?"
By all the signs, all the evidence, all the conviction, all the prayers and committment, I was.
But now I'm an atheist.
2007-08-13 11:03:49 · answer #3 · answered by Pedestal 42 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
Yes, once saved, always saved is wrong.
The sow was washed, the dog removed the wicked but each returned to the dirt and vomit.
Rev 3:1-6 shows your name can be removed from the book of life.
(Hebrews 6:4-6) 4 For it is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, and who have tasted the heavenly free gift, and who have become partakers of holy spirit, 5 and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, 6 but who have fallen away, to revive them again to repentance, because they impale the Son of God afresh for themselves and expose him to public shame.
Paul said to be careful, because the one that thinks they are standing may fall.
Paul said he was doing everything in his power so that he did not become disapproved.
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2007-08-13 12:08:36 · answer #4 · answered by TeeM 7 · 1⤊ 0⤋
These people were told and believed that Jesus was their Savior but didn't follow up on the necessary things to guarantee their salvation. They never repented from their sins.
To repent means to turn away from....there are a lot of people out there who believe Jesus is the way, but they are following the path of sin, anyway. I have a couple of brothers in law,,who believe what we tell them is true, but they just cannot turn away from drinking and partying....they are not willing to give it up and serve the Lord...even more sad to me than those who never believed in the first place.
2007-08-13 11:06:06 · answer #5 · answered by dreamdress2 6 · 2⤊ 1⤋
It's about false teachers that lead others out of the faith into a merit system for salvation. Having experienced the Spirit by grace through faith in Jesus Christ it should be difficult for any to try to merit anything from God by good works. In doing so one will only become more miserable since faith in Christ is what pleases God and He will reward faith in this life and the next. If one continues to walk in faith, receiving the grace and righteousness of Christ by faith, then they will remain in the freedom of the Spirit. Predominantly these verses are about false teachers and leading others astray.
2007-08-13 11:01:54 · answer #6 · answered by Who's got my back? 5 · 1⤊ 2⤋
You just summed up everything that is so despicably wrong about the Christian right and the poor folk who willing succumb to its vices. To use the word of God to enter the low places of politics and mass media is truly a dog turning to his own vomit.
2007-08-13 10:54:15 · answer #7 · answered by LouDogs1 2 · 1⤊ 1⤋
I think it is one to give us sober pause, and pretty much blows the "once saved, always saved" doctrine out of the water. Not everyone who calls on me Lord, Lord shall be saved.
Terrifying.
2007-08-13 10:52:57 · answer #8 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 1⤋
If many Christians knew that 2nd Peter was written in Greek, a century after the Jewish fisherman named Peter died; they'd probably ignore it.
But then, that attacks the "infallibility" of the Bible.
2007-08-13 10:54:20 · answer #9 · answered by Anonymous · 2⤊ 2⤋
That's a hard thing for any Christian. Our sin natures constantly pull us back to the sin and unrighteousness that we knew before we were saved. It reminds me that now that I know better, I still sin. Thanks to God's grace and His patience with me He forgives me when I slip.
2007-08-13 10:56:15 · answer #10 · answered by Carpenter's Daughter 3 · 2⤊ 2⤋