My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Question

E'-li, E'-li, la'-ma sa-bach'-tha-ni?
(from Matthew 27: v46)

I know that the Crucifiction of Jesus is seen as a sacrifice for the forgivness of sins.
However, the words in the question above, were one of the last things that Jesus said.

They MUST have huge significance.

My own view is that they are an expession of an Existential state of Isolation and that Jesus needed to become fully human and experience Seperation and Limitation.

Only then could a Reconcilliation between Spirit and Man occur. An Integration of BOTH perspectives.
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What do you think of my interpretation?

Can you let me know other interpretations?
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Thank you.
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Answer 1

Sounds like a man who thought God would save him, doesn't it?

Answer 2

If you look up those words, you will find they are the opening of Psalms 22. Read the entire Psalm. and you will find over 2 dozen events from the crucifixion predicted by the author about 1000 years before tehy happened.

Including what his enemies would say to mock him, how his hands and feet would be pierced (before crucifixion was invented), how his bones would not be broken, how the soliders would gamble for his clothins, how he would thrist, how his bones would be pulled out of joint by the crucifixion (agains before the process was invented), and more.

That Psalm was one that every Jewish male learned as part of a standard education. The teacher would say the opening line, and the students would recite the rest from memory.

When Jesus spoke that line, every Jewish male standing there would have automatically recalled the rest of the Psalm. They would have immediately had it called to their attention what was happening, there. They should have been alreted that they were watching the greatest event in human history.

The words also reflected the sacrifice that Jesus was making, the toment he was feeling, and the separate that the sin he had taken made between himself and God the Father. But it was more then that. It was announcing to mankind the fulfillment of those prophecies.

Answer 3

Jesus is the son part of the God head but he took up the mantel of humanity because he had to meet the criteria of being 100% God and man at the same time.

God the father can not look at unrightousness and Jesus had to in order to free man from sin take all the upon himself. God the father and son have always been forever in fellowship. At the moment when the son took on mans sin God the father and he were totally out of fellowship. That's when the world went totally dark (grace from father to son) that no one could look upon the son.

Jesus was already fully human from birth, and fully God. The seperation was caused by the sins of the WHOLE world. I think he said it twice because he died twice spiritually and physically and also he addressed God the father and God the Holy spirit. I suppose we have to imagine what thats like to be totally cut off from all we love and all we have known and then we may glimps something of what Jesus felt in his humanity.

Answer 4

If you read Psalm 22 is a prophetic Psalm about the crucifixion of Jesus. The first line is this:
Psalm 22:1 - My God, My God, why have You forsaken Me? Why are You so far from helping Me, And from the words of My groaning?
In order for Jesus to die on the cross, He had to separate from the Father to be completely human and become a lamb to the slaughter.... So in His complete state of becoming a man on the cross in order to die, He was feeling what all men felt. And Jesus was able to know our pain and feelings of being foresaken. Jesus was ressurected and all that died and was foresaken was the sin that was paid for at the cross because He conquered death there.

Answer 5

Yes, well, suppose that every translation were erroneous ?

There is quite a body of thought that the 'words from the cross' were actually spoken in a vastly ancient tongue, actually the original 'common' language from which all 'modern' idioms have derived.

The most extraordinary thing is that if rendered from both the Naaga of Asia, and the Aymara of South and Central America the result is both the same, and rather more logical for a person in Yashua's position. Especially if, as has been theorised, the 'crucifiction' was 'rigged' and Yashua was actually taken down long before his body had 'died' ?

The use of following words could well have been a form of esoteric code to signify "Get me down from here, Now !"

Here are the alternative words :

"Hele, hele, lamat zabac ta ni."

Which translate as :

"I faint, I faint, the darkness covers my face"

No loss of contact with 'God' and no taking on of the world's sins, a rather ludicrous and simplistic notion in any terms. The Immortal Creator 'creates' 'Sin' and then has to incarnate a junior version of himself in order to expiate the thing he, himself, created ??

The whole thing has the taint of distortion all over it.

But .... to each his own. :-)))

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Answer 6

I think you are partly right...

I also believe He was deliberately fulfilling the old scripture and that this was the human side of Him crying out... the 'physical and earthly man' who called... we are all spiritual beings... and Jesus is the ultimate spirit of God... and He came on earth as part human to suffer with us for our sins... physically... emotionally and spiritually... He did... to afford forgiveness and new life.

How many times have we all felt that our parents didn't love us enough... or let us down in a moment of crisis... and cried out that it wasn't fair to them... felt that they should be there inside that very second... we think they're not... when in their hearts they are!

God had planned this event long before it happened... He knew well the half of Him that was mortal... would suffer much for man... imagine then how painful and agonising it must have felt for Him to stand back and have to wait until the end... until the soul of Christ was free to reconnect and as the Holy Spirit... to form the trilogy?

And it was done for us:-)

Thank you Lord

Answer 7

Although many read the scriptures as literal, that they are not, unfortunately and the literal application of them in many regards lessens the message that is seeking to be conveyed, one of great internal important. The crucifixion was the final birth and all must bear their cross until the end and meet that same fate, fulling the Torah within themselves.

Yeshua "...was justified by fulfilling the Law. He was the Christ of God, since not one of the rest of mankind had observed the Law completely. Had any one else fulfilled the commandments of the Law, he would have been the Christ." Hence "when Ebionites thus fulfill the law, they are able to become Christs, for they assert that our Lord Himself was a man in like sense with all humanity." (Hippolytus, Refut. Omn. Haer. vii. 34).

The Gnostics had a similar view, my Good friend. They said that the Y'Shua who was hung on the tree wasn't the real Y'Shua but the physical one. The real essence ascended from the body, and the body called out why have you forsakened me. The real Y'Shua is seen by a few of the Apostles sitting within a tree, laughing at those who crucified the body. This is the passage from, "The Apocalypse of Peter,"

"When he had said those things, I saw him seemingly being seized by them. And I said "What do I see, O Lord? That it is you yourself whom they take, and that you are grasping me? Or who is this one, glad and laughing on the tree? And is it another one whose feet and hands they are striking?"

The Savior said to me, "He whom you saw on the tree, glad and laughing, this is the living Jesus. But this one into whose hands and feet they drive the nails is his fleshly part, which is the substitute being put to shame, the one who came into being in his likeness. But look at him and me."

This perspective is that the crucifixion was the final birth, movement into to spirit, where the essential principle completely overcame the defect between the lower and upper. The kingdoms below felt forsaken by the movement of this principle into the higher, which afterwards we see that the union in completion came to be. This is basically about the unfolding of the emanations being AND its final reconciliation between the lower and the upper, that of the spiritual/heavenly inner kingdoms and the physical/earthly. I concur, the body was speaking out in isolation, while the objective was being achieved. The laughing Y'Shua symbolizes that the suffering is of the lower, it encloses it but thus is necessary in order to overcome.

Answer 8

I think Jesus was in direct telepathic communication with God up to the point where the crucifixion became reality. When Jesus tried to communicate with Him over and over, and got no response, it is no wonder he cried out as having been forsaken.

Having had telepathic relationships and having had them end, in the sense that their Presence is no longer constant, it is a definite forsaking of spirit, because you are connected at the most intimate level you could ever be connected. When it is gone, it is absolutely devastating to the soul. Devastating. That alone could have broken his spirit, but his faith never wavered. It could not. He just could not comprehend the change in dynamic of his relationship with Source, and the timing for that change.

Answer 9

Forget all about that for now

There is a protected place on earth we found that is where the light is, we are going to regoup and begin to restore all the order from Error that was made in Terror and fear and now we are going to show Love and Peace as you see Spiderman died with his attitude now we have to find reasons for the light and see if it has link on earth. We found proof of the East holding a precious light on its wing. Salam
We are asking for order and peace inshAllah love they brother and neighbour we will return to a different order inshAllah be khair, much is not understood but what is given is more than enough to see the light.
Khair InshAllah Salam

Source(s):

We love you all and please love each other inshAllah - All books left unto man, point to a Promise Land, its not where they said it is, we been flying around it for a while but needed Al Quran to find it.
Khair inshAllah - hahaha thats what they been saying is Khair well here we go Khair we go! Come on Anna I get it now! Salam

Answer 10

This is the moment when the eternal Trune God let the Son experience the utter pain and shame and suffering of sin. The Father and the Holy Spirity let Jesus be a sin on our behalf and thus be crushed for becoming the sin (yes Christ became "sin" on our behalf and got punished) and in the process he was left alone. Therefore after the suffering Christ is crying out to the Father and the Spirit (hence it is repeated twice My God, My God and not three times) why hast thou forgotten me?..

Answer 11

“And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?” (Matthew 27:46). This cry is a fulfillment of Psalm 22:1, one of many parallels between that psalm and the specific events of the crucifixion. It has been difficult to understand in what sense Jesus was “forsaken” by God. It is certain that God approved His work. It is certain that He was innocent. He had done nothing to forfeit the favor of God. As His own Son - holy, harmless, undefiled, and obedient - God still loved Him. In none of these senses could God have forsaken Him.

However, Isaiah tells us that “he bore our griefs and carried our sorrows; that he was wounded for our transgressions, and bruised for our iniquities; that the chastisement of our peace was laid upon him; that by his stripes we are healed” (Isaiah 53:4-5). He redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us (Galatians 3:13). He was made a sin-offering, and He died in our place, on our account, that He might bring us near to God. It was this, doubtless, which caused His intense sufferings. It was the manifestation of God’s hatred of sin, in some way which He has not explained, that Jesus experienced in that terrible hour. It was suffering endured by Him that was due to us, and suffering by which, and by which alone, we can be saved from eternal death.

In those awful moments, Jesus was expressing His feelings of abandonment as God placed the sins of the world on Him – and because of that had to “turn away” from Jesus. As Jesus was feeling that weight of sin, He was experiencing separation from God for the only time in all of eternity. It was at this time that 2 Corinthians 5:21 occurred, “God made Him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in Him we might become the righteousness of God.” Jesus became sin for us, so He felt the loneliness and abandonment that sin always produces, except that in His case, it was not His sin – it was ours.

Recommended Resource: Why Believe in Jesus?: Who He Is, What He Did, and His Message for You Today by Tim LaHaye.